Welcome To Trump World

[Richard]

^ did you read the whole link or just pick the parts out you liked?

How did Obama reduce the number of troops without decreasing the amount of conflicts ?

He changed the face of warfare with technology,you can now sit in Tampa and launch missiles from drones in the Middle East without troops on the ground.

He never defused the nuclear stand off in Iran,nobody will ever do that without removing the nuclear capability of its neighbors,Iran is no different then any other country when it comes to the use of nukes as a deterrent.

They have the same rights as every other country to use nukes as a deterrent,they just have proven in the past that they like to pass that capability on to whoever else wants to have them that should not.

Iran has proven not to be a responsible nuke holder,Obama did nothing to change that just as nobody else can.

That was the whole point of getting out of the dumb ass treaty he signed where we have to comply but they are exempt.

[oladub]

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Iran has proven not to be a responsible nuke holder,Obama did nothing to change that just as nobody else can.

That was the whole point of getting out of the dumb ass treaty he signed where we have to comply but they are exempt.

I'm more sympathetic with Obama's intent to work out some sort of a diplomatic deal with Iran. However, it was just an Obama 'deal' rather than a 'treaty' which the Senate would have had to ratify with a 2/3 majority. It didn't. Same with the Paris Accord.

[Zacha341]

Trumps digging a hole to jump into AGAIN!

Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine'

How knows this how [[his medical team is not saying that)? Again, so careless, unnecessary, and rash.

Who would make such firm predictions about a virus considering the unpredictable nature of such?

[Dan Wesson]

There was no vaccine for Sars or Mers. Will there be one for the new coronavirus?

[Maof]

Trumps digging a hole to jump into AGAIN!

Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine'

How knows this how [[his medical team are not saying that)? Again, so careless, unnecessary, and rash.

Who would make such firm predictions about a virus considering the unpredictable nature of such?

Someone needs to muzzle him.

[Zacha341]

There was no vaccine for Sars or Mers. Will there be one for the new coronavirus?

That SCMP article [[written 2/22/20) serves in a way as a backdrop to where we are now [[wide-spread incidences of the virus in need of a unlikely to find vaccine), and very unlikely to 'disappear' as the POTUS also unwisely stated...

From article:

“However, given the number of people already infected and the spread of the current outbreak, it seems to me unlikely that it will be brought to a rapid end, particularly if it spreads to countries with less well developed public health systems.”

Other experts agreed.

Adalja said: “The novel virus is spreading efficiently in communities – something Sars could never do. This will not disappear and there will be a continued push for a vaccine for some time.”

Florian Krammer, a professor of microbiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who specialises in virology and vaccine development, said the coronavirus would probably last for several winters.

“Everybody is hoping that this can still be controlled, but the realistic chance that it can be controlled is low. So then what is going to happen is that this is going to spread worldwide, ” he said.

“If it does you might have an initial pandemic wave, but not everybody is getting infected and nobody has immunity, so it might be that this virus stays in the community and comes back in the northern hemisphere for the next few winters.”

[Dan Wesson]

Could "Go away" mean diminish? How about go away by means of herd immunity or over a period of time.

It's true Trump should just shut up and let others take the flak.

But he really isn't saying nothing new it's just there are folk who don't like hearing what they consider bad news as well as folk who consider Trump himself as bad news.

I ain't defending Trump either. It's just this whole thing is a shitty situation for everyone 'cepting those who are gonna make fortunes off of this dis-ease.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I hear you, I'm not part of the Trump-the-epitome-off-all-things-evil crowd. But he is so careless in his speaking. Bottom-line: stop with the impetuous, heedless comments. If the word diminish should be used, why say 'Go away'? He does this again and again as permanent quotables.

And then he doubles-down worse when questioned. SMH....... whatever.

I equally spoke out when former president Obama made his famous 'If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor...' statement. I knew he'd pulled out a big hole-digging shovel the minute he said that!

[Dan Wesson]

Our reality is what we perceive or in some peoples case our reality is what we hallucinate.

Everything outward is deciphered by the inward. What's between your ears is the master of our universe, spiritually for sure. Physically is a different story.

[jcole]

He said it will probably"go away by itself":

Asked what led him to believe that the virus would disappear without a vaccine, Trump claimed he had received that information from medical professionals.
“I just rely on what doctors say. They say it’s going to go. That doesn’t mean this year. It doesn’t mean, frankly, it’s going to be gone before the fall or after the fall, but eventually it’s going to go away. The question is whether we will need a vaccine. At some point it will probably go away by itself.”

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-co...195154249.html

[Dan Wesson]

Just like the original Sars-1 and the other version called Mers? How did the bubonic plague end? How about the influenza pandemic of 1918?

I like the biblical plagues that ended by Moses getting his way.

[Zacha341]

Interestingly it [[Pandemic of 1918) did not disappear over-night [[or right before an election) or even over a year. See timeline:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...eline-1918.htm

How did the bubonic plague end? How about the influenza pandemic of 1918?....

[Dan Wesson]

Interestingly it [[Pandemic of 1918) did not disappear over-night [[or right before an election) or even over a year. See timeline:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...eline-1918.htm

Tru dat!

[Dan Wesson]

Funny how life goes on within you and without you...

[Richard]

He said it will probably"go away by itself":

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-co...195154249.html

It is going away,people are getting over it and things are reopening.

Interesting how people take words and apply them literally when it is to their advantage.

I still think you guys should be charging him rent for allowing him to live in their heads 24/7.

[Zacha341]

I see and gain no advantage as I'm not partisan motivated. Remember? I called out former pres. Obama for similar. I'm not happy to see this re-occurring at an escalated level during a pandemic as it can be tied to politics, to policy, on to very personal [[relative to how C-19 can impact our lives).

BOTTOM LINE: As the POTUS [[dem or repub, now or future), you are responsible to try harder to appropriately choose and use your [[quotable) words.

So one does not have to strain to generalize your words, so as to justify them!

...Interesting how people take words and apply them literally when it is to their advantage.

[Zacha341]

^^^PS. Having said all of that I would greatly love if C-19 disappeared, today!!

[Richard]

I see and gain no advantage as I'm not partisan motivated. Remember? I called out former pres. Obama for similar. I'm not happy to see this re-occurring at an escalated level during a pandemic as it can be tied to politics, to policy, on to very personal [[relative to how C-19 can impact our lives).

BOTTOM LINE: As the POTUS [[dem or repub, now or future), you are responsible to try harder to appropriately choose and use your [[quotable) words.

So one does not have to strain to generalize your words, so as to justify them!

yea it is Trump,3.5 years later if one cannot figure out what to take with a grain of salt and what not to,odds are they never will.

Watch the international news and this discussion is no different in 150 countries,just the language it is just spoken in changes,so it is not like he is delving into unknown or uncharted territory.

In regards to the virus,I would be happy with just knowing exactly where we stand with it,then we can figure out how to deal with it in the future.

But as of yet no experts in the world can answer that question and until they do,Personally I am not jumping off of a cliff.

Hell they already told us we will all be dead in 10 years anyways with climate change,so in the meantime I am sticking with hookers n blow and enjoying the time left.

The biggest thing is the majority across the world feels it is to early for others to go back to work,based on all the incorrect information we have been provided with so far,who is to say what is right or wrong?

What is interesting in the US verses European countries with a well established public transport system are saying they can go back to work but not use public transport,our auto centric nation has a bit of a advantage in this case,as bad as the underlying circumstances are.

To me anyways the whole lock down to prevent the spread,is a case of,how do you know if you are preventing the spread of something that you do not even know how many are infected in the first place.

So you can say it prevented it but how exactly do they prove it wrong?

Lock down or not it still spread until it reached its peak.

[Dan Wesson]

^^^PS. Having said all of that I would greatly love if C-19 disappeared, today!!

I too would greatly appreciate if that nasty CCP Virus would "Go Away" today!

[Dan Wesson]

Interesting using the synonyms for "Go away" in all the 'As in' example tabs there was no mention of "End".

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/go%20away

[jcole]

Where do you get it's "going away"?

It is going away,people are getting over it and things are reopening.

Interesting how people take words and apply them literally when it is to their advantage.

I still think you guys should be charging him rent for allowing him to live in their heads 24/7.

[Richard]

Spain has a population of 47 million,the United States 325 million.

Remove the number of cases which changes as testing ramps up and I already posted the link that there is a 7-14 day time delay in reporting death numbers.

What is the ratio of deaths by population today verses 20 -30 days ago.

Is it increasing or decreasing?

[Zacha341]

More than a few people have it figured out as the words DO NOT match realities. As I describe in #4308 etc. Additionally, I'm not necessarily impressed with some of the yackin' and propaganda that goes forth from other countries either. So much for the either/ or construct. Again.

Relative to where we stand with the virus: not a small number have died, some only very sick, some asymptomatic, some have not contracted the virus. A whole nation was shut down where in my opinion quarantining could have been more selective, but the governors were not willing to do that. Looking at what happened it say Italy it can be argued the US was NOT too hasty in shutting down. Communities in rural areas with zero C-19 had to comply as well as it went. And we're not at the 'disappear' level yet.

We are here: Severe fiscal damage and far more deaths, with truncated funerals well and beyond the usual flu. That's COVID-19 for you. A novel virus indeed for the 21 century. Revealing the motives of many! And no for me I'm not giving over to a spirit of fear or cliff jumping. Only truth seeking.

yea it is Trump,3.5 years later if one cannot figure out what to take with a grain of salt and what not to, odds are they never will.

Watch the international news and this discussion is no different in 150 countries, just the language it is just spoken in changes, so it is not like he is delving into unknown or uncharted territory.

In regards to the virus, I would be happy with just knowing exactly where we stand with it, then we can figure out how to deal with it in the future.

But as of yet no experts in the world can answer that question and until they do,Personally I am not jumping off of a cliff....

[jcole]

And if the entire States have been shut down who is to say that the infection would have been carried into those counties that are now at minimal exposure? Some of them are now picking up cases that wouldn’t of happened up there except for the people traveling to Lansing and back home again. If it gets loose up there they’re in a shit load of trouble with the lack of hospitals and people to care for the Ill

More than a few people have it figured out as the words DO NOT match realities. As I describe in #4308 etc. Additionally, I'm not necessarily impressed with some of the yackin' and propaganda that goes forth from other countries either. So much for the either/ or construct. Again.

Relative to where we stand with the virus: not a small number have died, some only very sick, some asymptomatic, some have not contracted the virus. A whole nation was shut down where in my opinion quarantining could have been more selective, but the governors were not willing to do that. Looking at what happened it say Italy it can be argued the US was NOT too hasty in shutting down. Communities in rural areas with zero C-19 had to comply as well as it went. And we're not at the 'disappear' level yet.

We are here: Severe fiscal damage and far more deaths, with truncated funerals well and beyond the usual flu. That's COVID-19 for you. A novel virus indeed for the 21 century. Revealing the motives of many! And no for me I'm not giving over to a spirit of fear or cliff jumping. Only truth seeking.

[Richard]

And if the entire States have been shut down who is to say that the infection would have been carried into those counties that are now at minimal exposure? Some of them are now picking up cases that wouldn’t of happened up there except for the people traveling to Lansing and back home again. If it gets loose up there they’re in a shit load of trouble with the lack of hospitals and people to care for the Ill

We shut down the world on an “If” ?

Its all speculation at this point.