Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

**THE FURY 617** · March-27-20, 03:37 PM

I'm wishing James Craig a speedy recovery.

**Dan Wesson** · March-27-20, 04:34 PM

Hubei Residents Riot After Quarantine Lifted; Police Beaten With Their Own Shield, Cop Cars Overturned

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hubei-residents-riot-after-quarantine-lifted-police-beaten-their-own-shield-cop-cars

lets see how fast this disappears...

**Richard** · March-27-20, 04:40 PM

^ now you know why the 23 million cell phone disappeared,first thing you dump if you do not want to be tracked,they learned that from the Hong Kong riots.

**drjeff** · March-27-20, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

Could I borrow some tinfoil; I'm running low over here

I'm a microbiology professor at WSU School of Medicine and an infectious diseases expert. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just spouting talking points [[doesn't know what a gain of function is, for one.) The "reference" he cites is a non peer-reviewed piece from a preprint server than anyone can post to for free. There are more legitimate studies showing this virus is the same as one circulating in bats.

**Zacha341** · March-27-20, 06:15 PM

LOL! It's rather tripped-out news none the less!

Seriously, I'm hoping Craig does not go thru the depths this virus can take a person... speedy recovery!

**Zacha341** · March-27-20, 06:22 PM

Yow-sers! Sounds like the 1000 sheets per roll variant. Can I give you $24 [[for your effort) to go back and get me some? ...just joking...

Originally Posted by Bigdd

I was at Sam's Club this morning. Toilet Paper was on sale. $ 20.58 for a 45 pack of Member's Mark [[Which I used for the first time recently. Always been a Quilted Northern user,.. but this stuff is JUST as soft,.. and the rolls are actually 1/4" wider.)...

**Zacha341** · March-27-20, 06:26 PM

Yeah I hear some were super-charging those vape devices to deliver more smoke for varied effects and challenges. More lung damage resulted!

Originally Posted by Bigdd

They're expecting it to do a lot of damage in younger populations that vape. Vaping having already done huge damage to their lungs. Curious to see if there's any data on that yet.

**Lowell** · March-27-20, 09:47 PM

DETROIT-WINDSOR METRO + MICHIGAN - Mar. 27, 2020

The novel coronavirus has taken 92 lives in Michigan, according to new state data. That means 32 more people have died from COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the virus, as of 10 a.m. Friday, according to data provided by the state Friday afternoon. The first death was reported March 18.
The state also has 3,657 confirmed cases of the illness. There were 801 new confirmed cases reported as of Friday morning.
The U.S. surgeon general said Friday that the situation in Detroit, a national “hot spot” for cases of the new coronavirus, will worsen next week.
President throws twitter tantrums about General Motors speed of ventilator production and ‘young woman governor’
FEMA Claims Michigan Failed to Submit Request for Major Disaster Declaration
GM cuts paychecks of salaried workforce, executives
Whitmer ‘very unlikely K 12 schools will reopen this school year’
Whitmer threatens investigation and “administrative action” against doctors who prescribe hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID19… the drug has seen some preliminary promise but nothing concrete, governors around the country are worried about shortages of the drug which is also used to treat lupus and other chronic illnesses.
Henry Ford Health officials confirm letter outlining life and death triage protocols for COVID19
Detroit Police Chief Craig tests positive for CoV

REST OF THE WORLD

585K confirmed cases, 26.8K deaths, 129K recoveries ~430K open cases, numbers subject to nations’ transparency and testing bandwidth.
US NYU Langore Hospital doctor speaks confesses of warzone like conditions. Concerned at lack of recoveries “patients that came in [five days ago] they’re dropping like flies”. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid19crisisnewyorkhospitals1.5511026
US: NYC remains epicenter however signs of rapid spread in Detroit, Chicago, NOLA
US: NYC accounts for a third of all US cases, NY state accounts for almost half of US cases
US: NYC 911 experiences the three busiest days it has ever seen
US: NYC loses more in 2 weeks to covid19 than to homicides last year
US: NY Gov Cuomo says NY cases are still increasing, but at a slower rate.
US Experts say US needs a national shutdown ASAP but differ on what comes next
US Jeff Bezos sold $3.4 Billion of amazon stock just before collapse
US: House sends $2 Trillion stimulus package to President; stock market dives
Canada said on Friday it will cover 75% of wages for small businesses and the central bank cut its key interest rate to the lowest level in a decade
Canada / BC modeling shows that physical distancing has halved the spread of COVID19 in Provence
UK death toll rises by 181, sharpest increase so far
UK PM Boris Johnson tests positive
UK Chief Medical Officer enters self isolation after exhibiting symptoms
British company behind a 10 minute coronavirus antibody test, which will cost about $1, has begun sending prototypes to labs for validation
Russia: five government staff members test positive,
France to withdraw all troops from Iraq
France extends lockdown by two weeks to April 15
France expects Paris hospitals to be saturated within 48 hours of coronavirus spike. French PM warns of extremely high surge in cases; looming spike.
Belgium: reports circulating that a woman infected her cat
Belgium extends coronavirus lockdown until April 19
Italy’s daily death tally was 919, highest since the start of the outbreak; has yet to hit peak, lockdown extended
Italy has lost 51 doctors to the coronavirus
Span withdraws Chinese test kits over poor accuracy rates. Batch had only a 30% detection rate..
Czech Republic offers similar complaints pertaining to Chinese Test Kits
UN Security Council won’t discuss COVID19, China blocks it with help from Russia, South Africa
Hungary PM imposes lockdown, sees coronavirus peak by July
MIT study links warm, humid climate to slower COVID19 transmission
Chaos and hunger amid India coronavirus lockdown. India's strict lockdown of 1.3 billion people disrupts lives with migrant workers facing hunger and forced to walk home.
Israel to use military to enforce lockdown
Brazil's state governors ignore Bolsonaro’s request to relax lockdown.
UN food and agriculture org warned of global food shortages caused by measures to curb the spread of the virus
Red Cross warns that pandemic could spark unrest among West’s urban poor
WHO officials enroll first patients from Norway and Spain in historic multinational drug trial
Western Powers Continue to warn of online misinformation campaigns from Russia, China; new research emerges as to how Reddit is used as a platform to amplify these campaigns into Facebook, Twitter, others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760
EU leaders agree to consider climate in coronavirus recovery plan; Europe and the world has seen drastic reductions in air pollution during the ensuing shutdowns, experts warn of a disproportionate surge during the recovery.
Condom shortage looms after lockdown shuts world’s top producer
Forbes echoes concerns that Coronavirus could infect privacy and civil liberties forever.

**Lowell** · March-27-20, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by drjeff

I'm a microbiology professor at WSU School of Medicine and an infectious diseases expert. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just spouting talking points [[doesn't know what a gain of function is, for one.) The "reference" he cites is a non peer-reviewed piece from a preprint server than anyone can post to for free. There are more legitimate studies showing this virus is the same as one circulating in bats.

Thank you for pointing out these unsubstantiated rumors.

Disinformation, conspiracies, and rumors run rampant in these situations and it is important to separate fact from fiction or deliberate disruption.

"What do you know, what don't you know and only then, what do you think."

**davewindsor** · March-28-20, 02:34 AM

Spain's death rate in 24 hours soared to 769 with 4934 new cases; its getting to be as bad as Italy. Spain has 9 million more people than Canada. Scary thought if Canada had that kind of 24 hour death toll.

Self-isolate at home and stay safe everyone.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200327...ad-in-24-hours

**jcole** · March-28-20, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by drjeff

I'm a microbiology professor at WSU School of Medicine and an infectious diseases expert. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just spouting talking points [[doesn't know what a gain of function is, for one.) The "reference" he cites is a non peer-reviewed piece from a preprint server than anyone can post to for free. There are more legitimate studies showing this virus is the same as one circulating in bats.

Thank you!!!

**Lowell** · March-28-20, 04:06 PM

DETROIT-WINDSOR METRO + MICHIGAN & ONTARIO - March 28, 2020

Detroit auto show canceled -- TCF Center [Cobo Hall] to become field hospital
Michigan has become a US epicenter for virus
Crime has dropped 22% in Detroit since stay-at-home orders. This, even with many of the DPD quarantined.
President approves Michigan's disaster declaration request
Army Corps assessing 15 sites for 'alternate care facilities' to house Michigan hospital overflow
HFHS stays “we’re nowhere near worst case coronavirus decisions” after a leaked document outlined their life or death triage decision making process
GM to convert Warren facility to mass produce surgical masks
Locals are livid as president orders GM to produce ventilators under Defense Production Act… GM was already producing ventilators in response to the virus.
Michigan DIYers sew masks, 3d print face shields, ventilator valves
Whitmer claims Feds told vendors not to send medical supplies to Michigan
Governor Whitmer Signs Executive Order Changing City, State Income Tax Filing Deadlines to July 2020
State of Michigan asks people to file for unemployment on a schedule by LAST NAME to avoid crashing the website.
GPS tracking of cell phones shows just how many Michiganders, specifically Detroiters, partied on Florida beaches during Spring Break and then came back home to Michigan https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/sta...81598037913600
Former Art Van employees sue company after losing healthcare in the middle of COVID19 pandemic
Michigan officials warn against traveling Up North to escape COVID19 pandemic

REST OF THE WORLD

650K confirmed cases, 30K deaths, 137K recoveries ~483K open cases, numbers subject to nations’ transparency and testing bandwidth.
US president says he told Pence not to call governors who aren’t ‘appreciative’ of White House coronavirus efforts
US: 70 million under severe weather threat as virus crisis intensifies
US confirmed case count crosses 110k
US: more than 7k hospitalized for coronavirus across New York
US NY Gov Cuomo moves state’s presidential primary
US Kansas governor issues stay at home order
US President considering ‘short term’ quarantine on New York, New Jersey, parts of Connecticut
US President purportedly phoned Alex Rodriguez for coronavirus advice
US FDA authorizes 15minute coronavirus test
Canadians with symptoms to be denied boarding on domestic flights, trains.
Canadian flight crews demand protective suits as more than a dozen fall ill with COVID19
UK health chief says under 20k deaths would be ‘good result’
UK Kink/Medical Fetish supplier donates entire stock to NHS
UK Council staff are being spat at, racially abused and attacked while delivering essential services amid the coronavirus pandemic. Recycling workers, park groundskeepers, civil enforcement officers, road engineers and bus drivers have also been targeted in a recent spate of abuse.
Italian death toll passes 10k
Spain’s death toll passes 5.5k
Nurses in Spain Are 'Suffering' and Worried They're Infecting Patients: 'Spain's health ministry says health workers currently make up about 14 percent of country's positive COVID19 cases.'
Span data shows men are getting sicker, dying more often of covid19 than women
Portugal to treat migrants as residents during crisis
Germany has a remarkably low coronavirus death rate — thanks largely to mass testing, but also culture, luck, and an impressive healthcare system
Pandemic restrictions will remain in Germany until at least April 20
Sweden Bans Groups Larger Than 50 In Its First Major Coronavirus Crackdown
Brazilian president question coronavirus deaths, says ‘sorry, some will die’
Amid lack of government action, Brazil gangs continue to impose strict curfews to slow coronavirus spread.
Brazil introduces surveillance tech to hundreds of thousands of cellphones to slow the spread of coronavirus and ensure people follow lockdown
Indians struggling with lockdown, were given less than four hours notice prior to the initiation of three week lockdown.
Quarantined man in India with a history of mental illness runs out naked, bites woman to death.
India needs at least 38 million masks to fight coronavirus
India lockdown forces exodus of migrant workers, many have to return home on foot
Indian Police Beat Curfew Violators on First Day of Lockdown for 1.3 Billion People
A coronavirus 'super spreader' in India who refused to self isolate sparked an outbreak that left 40,000 people in quarantine, officials say
Chinese asked to stay vigilant as coronavirus cases slow
Wuhan, endless queues for ashes of coronavirus dead cast doubts on numbers
Violence erupts in China as people try to leave coronavirus stricken Hubei province following easing of lockdown
In South Korea the number of recoveries now exceeds the number of active cases for the first time in 68 days since the first COVID19 case was identified
New research published in the journal JAMA Cardiology concluded that the COVID19 virus can fatally impact the cardiac system in otherwise healthy victims by causing infection and swelling in the heart and surrounding muscles.
Duke researchers are decontaminating N95 masks so doctors can reuse them to treat coronavirus patients
Internet Archive makes 1.4 million books available for free online amid the coronavirus crisis
Seismometers worldwide detect decrease in human activity amid Coronavirus.

**Lowell** · March-28-20, 07:56 PM

What would be huge news under normal circumstances become unsurprising normal news in the CoVID age.

Detroit auto show canceled -- TCF Center [Cobo Hall] to become field hospital

**SammyS** · March-28-20, 09:27 PM

“Whitmer claims Feds told vendors not to send medical supplies to Michigan”

Any evidence of this? I’m reading a lot that suggests the governor is not exactly telling the truth. If so, then this does not bode well for her leadership or representation of the people of Michigan.

**Richard** · March-29-20, 12:52 AM

March 11 number of testing kits in the state of Michigan
130

As of Saturday number of confirmed cases in Michigan
4650

How did they get the test kits from the CDC if they were told not to help?

First 8 tested were negative but you know 4650 have been tested but we do not know how many tested negative which would have needed more kits.

They were receiving help before even it was requested.

"I think we're going to see a flow of new cases this week because the testing is now available. ...

https://www.freep.com/story/news/hea...ls/4929112002/

You are not seeing the amount of testing in other states like you are seeing in the heaviest hit.

Which there has to be a correlation.

But as of March 11 the state was saying it was well prepared and hospitals stocked,then 1 week later came all of the screaming and demanding,I don’t know why people think they have to get loud and yell in order to get somebodies attention,all one needs to do is ask.

The amount of cases in the US doubles every other day,if people were not getting the testing kits like they say how would they know it doubled every other day.

Not sure if it still applies but it was only cases submitted by a medical facility were counted,if one passes at home it is not counted or if one is not tested and recovered outside of the medical tactility,they are not counted.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...aps-and-cases/

The main symptoms of COVID-19 include a cough, shortness of breath and a fever. Additionally, you might have digestive problems ― like nausea or diarrhea ― a headache and a sore throat. At the onset of the illness, you may experience a loss of smell or taste.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/Health/med...ar/ar-BB11KG9Q

Two weeks ago the experts were saying diarrhea was not a symptom and now they say it is.

**Gistok** · March-29-20, 08:47 AM

Forgive me if this has already been posted... I just don't have the time or energy to read all these posts.

Talks about Germany's very low death rate among coronavirus countries...

https://www.businessinsider.com/germ...lthcare-2020-3

Having one of the best health care systems in the world... AND having a leader that listens to the health care experts.. likely helped save lives.

Also Germany has a much higher number of hospital beds per 100,000 people than either Italy or Spain.

**401don** · March-29-20, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by SammyS

“Whitmer claims Feds told vendors not to send medical supplies to Michigan”

Any evidence of this? I’m reading a lot that suggests the governor is not exactly telling the truth. If so, then this does not bode well for her leadership or representation of the people of Michigan.

Not sure if that's correct either. What was happening for sure is many states had firm orders only to be told they wouldn't receive it because the Feds now take priority and the order was going to them. Not only were states bidding against each other but the Feds would buy stuff at a higher price than the states would have initially paid and then turn around and send it to the states. A little coordination is in order.

**Jimaz** · March-29-20, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by SammyS

“Whitmer claims Feds told vendors not to send medical supplies to Michigan”

Any evidence of this?...

FWIW, she discusses it a 2:40 in this video from WWJ.

**Wheels** · March-29-20, 11:10 AM

Whither is playing politics and the rest of us will have to deal with the fallout!

**Richard** · March-29-20, 11:18 AM

The president also said that when the states called about the bids,the Feds dropped theirs,it’s a closed bidding process,how does one know who is bidding against them?

Its not like they are on ebay,company says,I have 10,000 masks and bids of the most amount that you will pay is submitted.

If the average sale is $5 per unit and you put your max at $3,odds are you will not win.

France has ordered 1 billion face masks from China,the irony of it all,the country that this started in is now providing the rest of the world in supplies,quite profitable.

I have not done the conversion but they paid $650 million euro for 1 billion masks,they did not specify CV19 masks.

France,Italy and Spain have the highest number of cases,has done the most amount of testing outside of China while having the most people on lock down for the longest time.

Frances expert while in a press update with there president said point blank,we do not know if it can be spread from surfaces,how long it lasts or even 100% how it is spread.

NY has over 58,000 confirmed cases,so without using their own stash,they have already received at least 58,000 test kits while saying they have received no help,still do not know of the ratio of tested false verses positive

Germany has reported that reason of the lower rates is because they started preparing the medical community and hospitals when it first hit in China,so they were not blindsided by it.

Italy and the UK have the highest elderly population in Europe and they say Italians have a healthier lifestyle then Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uzzles-experts

**Richard** · March-29-20, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

FWIW, she discusses it a 2:40 in this video from WWJ.

Simple solution.

Every state has a plan and stockpile in place based on the 2015 pandemic test run,every state had the responsibility to hold the line for at least 30 to 60 days until the federal government can ramp up,she immediately attacked the federal government.

A: provide the plan and stock list to the public.
B: whistle blowers would be crawling out of the woodwork if they were actually ordered to not supply certain states.
C: The president has a base in Michigan,he is not that stupid to tell suppliers not to provide to the state.
D:The intent of the governor was successful,people took it at face value,with zero evidence,rational or facts and immediately attacked the president in essence trying to turn the entire state to her favor.

From 2009 to 2018 there are thousands of warnings and recommendations for states and the medical community on how to prepare for a pandemic from the CDC and from within the medical community.

2018 Bill Gates actually said we were in line for one and set up a $100 million fund to deal with one,at that time.

This will pass and through it all politics will remain politics and it is a game of revolving chairs,when the dust settles there will be hearings for the next year.

Most likely early February probably was not the best time to be holding hearings on the presidents reaction to the closing of borders to China travelers and gong down the racist lines of attack.

State Representatives were smack dab in the lap and a part of the federal government at that time,they still had a voice and option on where to place it when it came time to prepare.

It is a global supply shortage,demand all one wants but no leader in the world has been able to pull something out of their tush that does not exist.

New cases in Detroit have jumped 111% in 8 days which indicates that the testing level has risen 111% in 8 days,how is that even possible if no new supplies are not coming in.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...OIYx4oMIRoGWUY

**SammyS** · March-29-20, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by 401don

Not sure if that's correct either. What was happening for sure is many states had firm orders only to be told they wouldn't receive it because the Feds now take priority and the order was going to them. Not only were states bidding against each other but the Feds would buy stuff at a higher price than the states would have initially paid and then turn around and send it to the states. A little coordination is in order.

So the Fed takes priority over every state? Whitmer made it sound like Trump singled out Michigan. That's what i was asking.
In these times, you simply comply, have the Federal gov. source, contract and pay whatever it takes to get what you need. Then you deal with the cost and fallout later.
There's a war going on here and Whitmer needs to pick her battles carefully. Any grievances can be dealt with once we have this under control.

**SammyS** · March-29-20, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

The president also said that when the states called about the bids,the Feds dropped theirs,it’s a closed bidding process,how does one know who is bidding against them?

Its not like they are on ebay,company says,I have 10,000 masks and bids of the most amount that you will pay is submitted.

If the average sale is $5 per unit and you put your max at $3,odds are you will not win.

France has ordered 1 billion face masks from China,the irony of it all,the country that this started in is now providing the rest of the world in supplies,quite profitable.

I have not done the conversion but they paid $650 million euro for 1 billion masks,they did not specify CV19 masks.

France,Italy and Spain have the highest number of cases,has done the most amount of testing outside of China while having the most people on lock down for the longest time.

Frances expert while in a press update with there president said point blank,we do not know if it can be spread from surfaces,how long it lasts or even 100% how it is spread.

NY has over 58,000 confirmed cases,so without using their own stash,they have already received at least 58,000 test kits while saying they have received no help,still do not know of the ratio of tested false verses positive

Germany has reported that reason of the lower rates is because they started preparing the medical community and hospitals when it first hit in China,so they were not blindsided by it.

Italy and the UK have the highest elderly population in Europe and they say Italians have a healthier lifestyle then Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...uzzles-experts

If this is not a wake up punch in the head to divest away from China, then I don't know what is.
I suspect the US is the only country that has any chance divesting away from China and rebuilding back home.
We have the technology [[much stolen or sold to China).
We have the brains [[much bought by Chinese firms)
We have the capital
We have the infrastructure
We have the workforce
We have the motivation
Now we need the political will and that means unity. Imaging what the US can accomplish if both parties united toward a common good of the nation rather than divided over what benefits everyone else but us. My hopes are that this disaster exposes the silver lining blaring so obviously in our faces.

**Richard** · March-29-20, 04:58 PM

^ agree 100% but as we see the public has a short term memory,wants it now and cheap and the politicians that get elected that try and accomplish this are viewed as scum.

With the regulations it takes 25 years to get approval to build a oil refinery,that is even before ground is broken.

Not so nice videos coming out of the southern part of Italy,Naples,Palmaro etc. after 3 weeks of lockdown and kinda shows why the reluctance in long term lockdowns,it is not everybody singing on the balconies.

Good news is they have cleared a new 15 minute testing procedure for the corona virus.Instead of having to wait until the next day.

90% of India’s economy depends in the gig community,that is 1 billion people in lockdown that will run out of cash and food within a couple of days,they had 4 hours to prepare from the time it was announced.

Uganda two people have been shot while using the military to enforce their lock down,if they catch shop owners open they drag them out in the streets and beat them,I guess that is one way,if they see you in the streets they shoot you.

Johannesburg does not have the manpower to enforce lockdown and cannot control the high density community’s where nobody is honoring the lockdown,tight qaurters to be locked down in your 10x10 house.

A lot of these countries,Italy,France,Spain have high gig economies and a lot of immigrants that have no income and no way to acquire food during a lockdown.

Cases in NY where hospitals at full capacity were ordering 10,000 masks went to ordering 300,000 in the same time period,lots of questions as to motives out there.

It is a horrible virus but as bad as people think it is in this country,there is no other country I would want to be in but here.

**401don** · March-29-20, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by SammyS

So the Fed takes priority over every state? Whitmer made it sound like Trump singled out Michigan. That's what i was asking.
In these times, you simply comply, have the Federal gov. source, contract and pay whatever it takes to get what you need. Then you deal with the cost and fallout later.
There's a war going on here and Whitmer needs to pick her battles carefully. Any grievances can be dealt with once we have this under control.

Yes. I was agreeing with you when you stated you questioned if what Whitmer said about the Feds was correct. I did hear at least 4 or 5 different governors on CNN state they were losing confirmed orders to the Feds. Whitmer indeed must be careful and I believe she has gone a long way to mend fences after getting help from the Feds via Pence. Trump, on the other hand, calling her "that woman from Michigan" is despicable, just as calling the Washington governor a loser was.