Economic Stimulus.. Where are the jobs?

[Lorax]

I thought your issue was that the American capitalist pigs and the Rethugicans views were too different from that of China and Viet Nam. Socialism, your political idealogy, not mine, is the one thats next to communism. If the united workers of the world have it better under communism, why aren't they getting paid more over there? I favor tougher trade policies on China until they start treating their citizens and the environment better. With a free Russia, we no longer need detante to weaken China. We just need to cut our support and let their economic models do them in.

That's not what I said or even inferred.

Fascism and Communism are flip-sides of the same coin. Both are dogmatic, and extreme by nature. One represents the extreme views of the far fascist right, the other, the extreme ideology of the far left. If they turn around and face each other they may as well be twins. It's like saying there is no difference between a multi-billion dollar multi-national corporation and the bureaucracy of a government.

Both operate in their own world, are accountable to practially no one, and are allowed to operate with impunity toward those they employ.

A socialist democracy, which is what the United States was arguably founded as, and the current crop of socialist democracies in Europe are more alike than different.

France has been socialist for years now, as has much of Scandanavia. There is nothing inherently evil in a nation taking care of it's people with socialized medicine, transporation, what have you.

The Chinese has socialized medicine, public transportation, job programs, subsidized farming, and have made a tacit agreement with American corporations to produce the goods to be resold to us, with the understanding that American corporations are willing to destroy the manufacturing bas of their own nation in order to turn a larger profit, in most cases and obscene profit, while throwing Americans out on the street for lack of work.

That's what gave rise to our credit-based economy which allowed people who's income constantly has trailed the rate of inflation [[cost of goods and services) that credit was the only way anyone was going to be able to buy things going forward.

And look where that has gotten us. Unregulated banks and lenders nationwide were allowed to gut the system for their own personal gain, leaving the American taxpayer holding the sack.

That's why I refer to American corporations as largely run by fascists, since, as my favorite so-called "american" corporation, Halliburton, ended up moving it's HQ from Texas to Dubai in order to avoid paying ANY taxes as it relates to their overseas businessses. And this was after 8 years of getting billions in no-bid contracts from the Bush Administration! How much corporate welfare are we suppose to hand out to these fascists?

And these are Americans?

Your belief system is that when government controls or manages something, it cannot possibly work.

Funny how I never hear any outrage at the way our military has been funded or managed, our postal system, Social Security, etc.

These are all proven to work well, especially when funded properly, and most often when Democrats are in charge in Washington.

When Republicans get in control, they work feverishly to break government by underfunding it, slashing needed programs, then point to it at election time and shout "look, it's broken, it doesn't work, get rid of it!"

This is their MO for privatizing everything, proving that worship of the CEO supplants all other loves.

The same metric is not applied to the military, which in spite of years of wasteful spending bordering on the obscene, has no one willing to blow the whistle on it.

Republicans don't do it because they believe in using the military as a personal police force, bringing down dictators they don't like in order to set up phony governments which will allow the corporations to operate with ease and impunity in getting what they want, in the case of Iraq, oil.

The Democrats don't do it for fear of being labeled weak on national security.

Basically our system is broken, and fixing it will require choices that will send the Republicans screwing themselves into the ground. Problem for them, is that just about every negative thing to impact our economy, our nation's prestige, and our inability to chart our own destiny in the last thrity years has happend on their watch.

If Republicans were so great at managing economies, we wouldn't find ourselves bankrupt and exposed to the vagaries of the Chinese and the Russians.

Republicans did this to us- with this last year being the harvest we've reaped from thrity years of Reagan/Bush trickle down economics, led by cheerleading stooges like Milton Friedman and Alan Greenspan.

[mjs]

A socialist democracy, which is what the United States was arguably founded as, and the current crop of socialist democracies in Europe are more alike than different.

I'm shocked and perplexed by everything you put into that post, but this is the one that really blew me away. If you think the founding federal government, which wasn't trusted with a big enough budget to make the interest payments on the debt from Obama's programs was socialist, I'm sorry I argued with you. Please don't blow up any buildings. Just take your meds and call your doctor. All will be fine comrade.