Monica Conyers Pleads Guilty

[alsodave]

Anytime a male politician gets into trouble, his wife is there to support him. Why wasn't John Conyers there to support his wife? What we may think about her and what she did shouldn't matter. As a man, he should have been there for his wife.

Jenny Sanford wasn't standing by her man...

[oladub]

You've got to fight the pwers that be?
No, Conyers rolls over for the powers that be -

"House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr. has backed off his plan to investigate wrongdoing by the liberal activist group ACORN, saying "powers that be" put the kibosh on the idea." "
"Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh, whose testimony about ACORN at a March 19 hearing on voting issues prompted Mr. Conyers to call for a probe, said she was perplexed by Mr. Conyers' explanation for his change of heart.
"If the chair of the Judiciary Committee cannot hold a hearing if he want to [then] who are the powers that he is beholden to?" she said. "Is it the leadership, is it the White House, is it contributors? Who is 'the power?'"
-6/25/09 http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...home_headlines

[rb336]

ah, yes. more credible reporting from THE most right-wing of all right-wing media outlets

[mjs]

Thats because they usually depend on him for their position and money. You think Hillary would stand by her man if he was burned now? What happened when that politician's husband got caught trolling for hookers?

[mjs]

Since we've never seen you give it away by actually sourcing something, who do you consider to be unbiased jouranalism?

[Sstashmoo]

Where was Hillary when Bill was ducking and dodging? Nothing gender based about it, just says a lot about the person. Of course, a few of us knew it then and we all know it now, she was playing the victim and grooming herself and the public for a Presidential run. Went down in flames....

Not wanting to make another post, and just reading:

""You think Hillary would stand by her man if he was burned now?""

Hillary was non existent during Bill's BJ troubles. How could anyone remember any other way, hell the press were continually asking where she was? She was distancing herself. She rode his coat tails and it did her no good. I can only imagine what would be going on had she made President.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "who do you consider to be unbiased jouranalism?"

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer. Canadian and UK sources are probably the most unbiased. In this country with our two party system, rarely is anything unbiased. It's like putting five religious groups in the same room and asking them to all agree on anything. They will each have their own bias.

[BShea]

Canadian and UK sources are probably the most unbiased.

You've got to be kidding ... The Guardian? Evening Mail? London Times?

They make no bones about their political slant. American media is moving toward the European model of having an outlet for each niche's place on the spectrum.

Most people, when they agree with someone, say it's unbiased. When they don't like it, it's biased.

[Bobl]

Does any jailbird in this joint wanna buy a lady a drink?

[Crumbled_pavement]

Most people, when they agree with someone, say it's unbiased. When they don't like it, it's biased.

QFT [[Quoted for truth).

[rb336]

Since we've never seen you give it away by actually sourcing something, who do you consider to be unbiased jouranalism?

the vast majority of US media outlets are center-right [[CNN, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, LA Times, news & freep) and corporatist a few are center-left [[MSNBC, most PBS shows, although a couple head further in either direction), and about the same number are extreme right [[fox, wash times, 90% of radio, etc.). Why do I say this when everyone KNOWS the media is "liberal"? because all those center right stations I mentioned above spend a lot of time with guests and hosts who bitch about how liberal the media is. They all frame debates using the verbiage of the right, they all have extreme right-wingers on the panel but NEVER have someone like Dennis or Ralph on them, or if they do, they never let them speak.

Our notions of right and left in this country are so far skewed to the right that someone who would be considered moderate-to-conservative anywhere else in the world is considerred a radical leftist here

[raptor56]

the vast majority of US media outlets are center-right [[CNN, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, LA Times, news & freep) and corporatist a few are center-left [[MSNBC, most PBS shows, although a couple head further in either direction), and about the same number are extreme right [[fox, wash times, 90% of radio, etc.).

CNN, New York Times, LA Times, and CBS are center-RIGHT?!? When did they switch from left to right?? That sudden change is bigger news than MJ's passing.

[Brittz]

I was so hoping Ken Cockrel would be next or sitting beside her. I hope she stays on the council until sentencing. The people who work for her still need a paycheck.
Regardless, of how many feel about her she is the smartest woman on the council. Too bad she acts up.

[Det_ard]

the vast majority of US media outlets are center-right [[CNN, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, LA Times, news & freep) and corporatist a few are center-left [[MSNBC, most PBS shows, although a couple head further in either direction), and about the same number are extreme right [[fox, wash times, 90% of radio, etc.). Why do I say this when everyone KNOWS the media is "liberal"? because all those center right stations I mentioned above spend a lot of time with guests and hosts who bitch about how liberal the media is. They all frame debates using the verbiage of the right, they all have extreme right-wingers on the panel but NEVER have someone like Dennis or Ralph on them, or if they do, they never let them speak.

Our notions of right and left in this country are so far skewed to the right that someone who would be considered moderate-to-conservative anywhere else in the world is considerred a radical leftist here

You're so full of shit. Take the "center-right" NYT, for example. Who'd they endorse for President? Obama. Before that, Kerry. Before that, Gore. Before that, Clinton, 2X. Before that, Dukakis. Before that, Mondale. Before that, Carter, 2X. Before that, McGovern. Before that, Humphrey, Johnson and Kennedy.

Does that sound "center-right" to anyone? Maybe it does to someone on the extreme left-liberal fringe that their perspective is distorted, but to anyone else it's pretty clear.

You've failed to demonstrate that the media is center-right but you've proven you're way out in left field and your judgment on matters such as these is suspect.

[mjs]

That last line puts it all into perspective. Left and right is only a comparative term so America can't be left or right of itself. The center is defined by what it says the center is. However, I can agree that PBS is unbiased and I think MSNBC and CNBC depend on what gets most vieweers when they go into sensationalism mode so when working out an argument with you, I'll put a preference on PBS sources.

I agree we are more conservative than Europe and Canada, but we are more liberal than the Asia or the Middle East and less religious than South America and Latin America. Too bad our ethnocentricity prevents us from using that center position to its full advantage.

[rjk]

Yeah, if you think the NYT is center-right it says more about your politics than the paper you're referencing.

[raptor56]

Interesting... I thought she, of all people, would fight this to the bitter end. Was the evidence against her so damning that she just rolled over and plead guilty? $20 says they put off sentencing until December so she can finish our her term on council.

[GREENTROIT]

She already has CON in her name. Here's her booking photo, she looks happy:

Attachment 2043

[ejames01]

She looks indifferent.

She already has CON in her name. Here's her booking photo, she looks happy:

Attachment 2043

[Det_ard]

Now if we can just get rid of all the others in this photo...

[cman710]

Interesting... I thought she, of all people, would fight this to the bitter end. Was the evidence against her so damning that she just rolled over and plead guilty? $20 says they put off sentencing until December so she can finish our her term on council.

Sentencing frequently takes some amount of time anyway, so December would not be all that far fetched, actually. Regardless, she will not serve another term.

[rb336]

That last line puts it all into perspective. Left and right is only a comparative term so America can't be left or right of itself. The center is defined by what it says the center is. However, I can agree that PBS is unbiased and I think MSNBC and CNBC depend on what gets most vieweers when they go into sensationalism mode so when working out an argument with you, I'll put a preference on PBS sources.

I agree we are more conservative than Europe and Canada, but we are more liberal than the Asia or the Middle East and less religious than South America and Latin America. Too bad our ethnocentricity prevents us from using that center position to its full advantage.

I think we are in agreement on that, except for Asia. the cultures over there are so different from each other and us, it is hard to really place them on the western political spectrum. All can probably agree that Singapore is way off to the far end of the conservative spectrum, but Japan? Thailand? both have aspects of their societies that are socialist, both have elements that are right-wing

[DetroitPetanque]

"Anytime a male politician gets into trouble, his wife is there to support him. Why wasn't John Conyers there to support his wife? What we may think about her and what she did shouldn't matter. As a man, he should have been there for his wife."

I don't think South Carolina's Gov. Sanford's wife was standing by to support him!

[Hypestyles]

....if she continues to serve on council after today, it is proof that the city charter needs radical reconstruction..

[rjk]

She looks indifferent.

I don't know about that.
I think she definitely looks like someone who just got some bad news.

She's got a librarian look about her. Not a sexy librarian look, but the look of one who just got canned.