Jesse Ventura Speaks of Torture

[gibran]

I suggest someone re-reads or reads "Audacity of Hope" and underline the un-American parts that I missed....

Unlike a true "objectivist" stuck in the concrete and basking in skewed statistics...libertarians are a very diverse and interesting group, and like many of the third party candidates [[after meeting and listening to Nader) I would welcome their views voiced on the mainstream...but that would scare many of the power parties...and we don't want to do that.

Heaven forbid those who proclaim to protect individual constructs like our friends on the right see anyone who speaks their minds less individual than themselves,,,,,

[edgewood]

objectivist, but you seem more of a right-libertarian

Objectivist + Right leaning Libertarian = Neo Conservative.

[oladub]

Objectivist + Right leaning Libertarian = Neo Conservative.

You are so far off base. Look up a definition of neocon. Neocons and modern liberals have much more in common than libertarians do with either. Definitions for your review-

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes. -Wikipedia

Libertarianism is a term used by a broad spectrum of political philosophies which seek to maximize individual liberty, which they see as requiring minimization of state power over individuals' personal and economic decisions, or for some libertarians, the abolition of the state. Libertarians embrace viewpoints across that spectrum ranging from anti-property to pro-property, from openly anarchist to minimal government. The word libertarian is an antonym of authoritarian. -Wikipedia

[gibran]

a neocon wouldn't know real liberty and economic security if it bite them on the nose..they are generally old liberals who saw their chance to seize power through manipulation and fear with a Madison ave mentality and a think tank credential...Wolfowitz, Perle, Kilpatrick, Douglas Fife, Kistrol et al..really did a number on us..playing into the Christian right 's fear of secularism and other people's beliefs while exploiting 9/11 for their own gains...while claiming to spread democracy[[ or at least their brand)..they should be held accountable for the mess Barak is having to clean up...

by the wayisnt he doing a great job ....we are very lucky to have a president who really cares about the American people and who has a more realistic view of the real sense of Social Justice....which by the way is what Democracy should evolve to...

[rb336]

You are so far off base. Look up a definition of neocon. Neocons and modern liberals have much more in common than libertarians do with either. Definitions for your review-

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. Unlike traditional conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a minimally-bureaucratic welfare state; and, while generally supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes. -Wikipedia

"Neoconservative" is an extremely changeable term. The Wiki definition was accurate for the 50s, when it was essentially hawkish democrats "Scoop" Jackson was probably the best example of this. the current use of the term, however, derives from that nasty bit of fascism, A Project for the New American Century and its signatories

[Pam]

by the way isnt he doing a great job

I'd like to see him say we are going to prosecute those responsible for the torture.

[gibran]

this might be a President Ford act...even though it would be the right thing to do..he may have to consider all the options ...the role of pres takes on a whole new meaning when you in the chair...I still think depsite his tightrope on some issues his leadership is just beginning to emerge....

[ccbatson]

How could a libertarian or an objectivist be "comfortable" with a welfare state of any kind? They can't, these neo cons you speak of, when it comes to liberty...are liberal.

[Islandman]

Omaha, you rock! That is all..

[ccbatson]

The funny thing is, that sarcastic or not, the stand alone validity of the principles of objectivism shines through.

[vetalalumni]

Omaha, you rock!

Well constructed Omaha.

[ccbatson]

He has quite an audience amongst the underclassman, doesn't he? Does that tell you something?

[ccbatson]

It is just eating me up inside that I can't have the liberal children on Dyes worship me like Omaha.

[rb336]

The funny thing is, that sarcastic or not, the stand alone validity of the principles of objectivism shines through.

If that were the case, there would be some objective evidence to back it up, but there isn't. the randians pick and choose what they believe is "logical" based on how it stacks up to their tired, disfunctional, nearly psychotic dogma rather than how robust the evidence is. that, by the way, is definitively SUBJECTIVE rather than OBJECTIVE