President Obama stands up for Ground Zero mosque

[ghettopalmetto]

no where in my posts have I said that I hate Muslims and that they shouldn't be able to build a Mosque.

No, you've only stated that Muslims are out to destroy America, and that this particular Muslim congregation should not be allowed to build its mosque in accordance with existing laws. And something about the President of the United States being a motherfucker for respecting local laws. Did I miss anything?

My whole thing is that it is in poor taste to do something that in many peoples minds is very disrespectful to Americans.

It's in poor taste for you to generalize about other Americans, namely this Muslim congregation, because of some crazy irrational emotion that you have. What's disrespectful is telling these Americans that they should have a separate and distinct set of laws and regulations, based on emotions, applied to them because of the actions of a small group of radical fundamentalists that claim the same faith.

You don't like it? Get yourself on the zoning board in New York City. Otherwise, what the hell do you care???

For all your puffery about "sacred ground", you sure as shit have no respect for someone's religion.

[Magnatomicflux]

They wouldn't even think about that though. Those men don't have a concern as to whom they are saving... just that they are.

of that jerrytimes....I am with you 100%. They wouldn't deserve the badge if they acted or thought about it any differently.


Buy American.....just what is the qualifier to be American?

I am not passing judgement on "fellow Americans" because these people are not Americans in my opinion.

[Detroit Stylin]

My feelings exactly. The muslims who wish to build this mosque that will shadow over sacred ground in N.Y., are insensitive and selfish, disrespectful and uncaring. Why would they want to be someplace that they are not welcome. Go two miles away, not two blocks.
Could you imagine if there was a fire in the mosque....what NYC firefighter would want to stretch on the building? They would have to because of their sworn duty but that would be another slap in the face to those who died.

Yep and as I have concluded before.....you are a bigot who knows he is but are just one of those type of people who just do not like lables....

[Buy American]

They wouldn't even think about that though. Those men don't have a concern as to whom they are saving... just that they are.

You're right, they are the selfless ones.

[Buy American]

of that jerrytimes....I am with you 100%. They wouldn't deserve the badge if they acted or thought about it any differently.


Buy American.....just what is the qualifier to be American?

I am not passing judgement on "fellow Americans" because these people are not Americans in my opinion.

Anyone in this country who is here legally or illegally or abroad, who wants to kill us is not [[what I would consider) an American...including Timothy McVeigh or any "so-called" citizen who is out to do the U.S. harm or to just murder people in the name of a religion or otherwise.

[Buy American]

Yep and as I have concluded before.....you are a bigot who knows he is but are just one of those type of people who just do not like lables....

Are you out on a 24 hour pass?

[Magnatomicflux]

Anyone in this country who is here legally or illegally or abroad, who wants to kill us is not [[what I would consider) an American...including Timothy McVeigh or any "so-called" citizen who is out to do the U.S. harm or to just murder people in the name of a religion or otherwise.

Fair enough, that makes sense. It just read like "Muslim ain't Americans"

[Detroit Stylin]

Are you out on a 24 hour pass?

Is your geriatiric momz? You do NOT want to go there with me....trust me...


BIGOT

[jerrytimes]

No, you've only stated that Muslims are out to destroy America, and that this particular Muslim congregation should not be allowed to build its mosque in accordance with existing laws. And something about the President of the United States being a motherfucker for respecting local laws. Did I miss anything?




It's in poor taste for you to generalize about other Americans, namely this Muslim congregation, because of some crazy irrational emotion that you have. What's disrespectful is telling these Americans that they should have a separate and distinct set of laws and regulations, based on emotions, applied to them because of the actions of a small group of radical fundamentalists that claim the same faith.

You don't like it? Get yourself on the zoning board in New York City. Otherwise, what the hell do you care???

For all your puffery about "sacred ground", you sure as shit have no respect for someone's religion.

I never once said that Muslims in general are out to destroy America. Just that there are a large group of them that would like to. That's simple and has been known for a while. I've also never said that I don't respect peoples religion. You need to completely read my posts before you write. You sound foolish.

[1KielsonDrive]

I don't understand why. The USA should be infuriated at him right now. He lied to everyone during his campaign about everything. Out of Guantanamo...no. Free health care for all....didn't happen. Better economy.... not yet... Out of Afghanistan.... no sir!

I'm shocked by all the hysteria that went on when Bush was president [[and for the most part rightfully so) but now if I say one thing about Obama I get jumped on. Did you get mad at people for wearing Bush t-shirts depicting him as Hitler? What about the one with a Nazi sign on his forehead? Probably not. But say one bad thing about Obama and watch out!

Obama is a mother fucking asshole? I may have said the same things about Bush in private conversations. No, I didn't wear tee-shirts as you described, but I did wear a IMPEACH BUSH & CHENEY hat and tee. Still do. I'd wear one that says "IMPEACH THE M*&^%$ F_*&^# ALREADY". Well, maybe. I didn't encourage anyone wearing anything of the sort. I might've snickered a bit. I certainly wouldn't have hung around with anyone while they wore it.

[Magnatomicflux]

I never once said that Muslims in general are out to destroy America. Just that there are a large group of them that would like to. That's simple and has been known for a while. I've also never said that I don't respect peoples religion. You need to completely read my posts before you write. You sound foolish.

If you replace "and they are Muslim" with "who are Muslim extremists" and "read the Quarn" with "interpret the Quran in their own twisted way"

[quote=jerrytimes;172704]
Al Qaeda is a group of terrorists and they are Muslim and read the Quran [[or however you spell it). That's enough for me. [quote]

Then yeah, your whole statement works.

[Whitehouse]

Seems Obama has a better understanding of the constitution than the biggots who try to prevent the building of this religious center. I don't understand the fear of people for this religion. It's no different from Christianity. Both religions have their extreme points of view on some subjects, and neither one is perfect. There are some things in the bible that are totally not suitable for present day society. I don't like the stance that one religion seems to be considered more perfect than the other.

The Muslim faith has the same issues. But only the most extreme followers are the ones you need to fear, and they are on the fringe of the Muslim community. But they scream the loadest and seem to think they are the ones who invented the wheel. Those same extremes you can also find in Christiany. Sometimes they are total loonies, like the Westboro Baptist Church, but there are also some who have too much weaponry stashed in the attic. Willing to die for the lord....

In either case, in the constitution there was no different made in the freedom of religion. Nowhere is is said that you have the freedom to practice Christianity as the single religion. Where's the freedom I ask....

[gibran]

First of all Al Qaeda is not a large group of Muslims anymore than the KKK is a large group of Christians..secondly ...the Muslims in our country are and were outraged at the events of 9/11...and some even died...some are serving in our armed forces and some our the doctors, lawyers and teachers that walk our institutions...so they are victims too.

what message are we sending to the Muslims [[some who have been here since the early 1900's) when we see such vile hate towards a group of people that [[happen to worship the same God as Jews and Christians) have been part of our fabric for generations...way to go xenophobes...let's keep creating disenfranchised youth...way to go Sarah Palen lovers for stoking hatred for others when you haven't a clue..way to play on the raw emotions and exploit these raw emotions for those who lost love ones for political and ideological gain...

This is not America where we fall victim to prejudice and hate ...but maybe the America of those whose patriotism is only symbolic and whose value for the constitution is pigeoned holed for those who look just like them...'

By the way this is not on ground zero...way to go President Obama finally standing up to those who hate..and not generalizing that all Muslims are terrorists,,,

[Jimaz]

What I found interesting about this issue was how Obama, after his characteristic reserve, ultimately came out in a way that clearly shows his detractors that they cannot goad him into choosing a defensive popular stance over a proper constitutional stance. He has clearly written off as a lost cause any efforts to gain support from his detractors. He already knows how the hotheads will react. But he has also learned that they're beyond redemption. This is what's really newsworthy about this story.

Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us — a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today,

[ghettopalmetto]

I just wish Obama would have emphasized that permitting construction of the mosque is a LOCAL issue over which the federal government has no jurisdiction, and explaining that the Republicans who doth protest too much are in fact violating their hypocritical "limited government" bullshit credo.

[oldredfordette]

It wouldn't matter, GP. The Islamophobes and Obamahaters can scream and cry louder than any facts you can present. They're too stupid to understand.

What pisses me off? I'm coming off like I'm defending Obama, who I think is a dreadful Republican president.

[wolverine]

Respect taught in Christianity? This has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with respect to the died and their families and this country that no one seems to care about anymore.

Maybe I'm not getting it. Are you saying respect for those who died is to hate another religion?

And seriously, it's a few blocks away. There will be plenty of focus on memorializing the victims at the trade center site itself.

hat no one seems to care about anymore

Generally the people complaining are completely unaware of what's going on at the WTC site. It was probably news to them that there was already a tower there on 37th floor and that the museum and memorial are well onto its way to completion. Maybe if they checked up more often they can be constantly reminded....I certainly hope you were before you loaded this article.

[gibran]

no intolerance is out to destroy America..and it needs two hang on every word that Palin and the likes say to shape their understanding...what a sad scenario that those brave men and women who daily protect our constitution have to worry about those whose hate would destroy it are coming from within the very nation they are protecting.

[Patrick]

no intolerance is out to destroy America..and it needs two hang on every word that Palin and the likes say to shape their understanding...what a sad scenario that those brave men and women who daily protect our constitution have to worry about those whose hate would destroy it are coming from within the very nation they are protecting.

Maybe it is organized religion in general that is out the destroy America?

[Ravine]

Indeed opinions vary on the topic.... centering a great deal on rather is it as issue of political conquest or a cause religious freedom?

You fired up this thread, one sure to feature controversy and heated argument, and yet you have expressed no opinion of your own. Why is that?

[Zacha341]

Beyond the specifics of this mosque the fear of being thought of as a bigot will silence some; even those who make the crucial and critical distinction between Islam and its radical factions [[who've made their positions clear from their own broadcasts and news outlets).

Some US citizens would rather censor themselves and avoid direct criticsm of some groups and sub-groups for the greater cause [[or perceived social value) of politeness and "political correctness" then be thought of as a racist. Withstanding your side of the political isle is it not unreasonable that this adapting could be used against us by our enemies...?

Opps - oh I forgot! Our sole enemies are the right wingers...

BTW I'm not a deep-dish republican, nor a garden variety dem.

Seems Obama has a better understanding of the constitution than the biggots who try to prevent the building of this religious center. I don't understand the fear of people for this religion. It's no different from Christianity. Both religions have their extreme points of view on some subjects, and neither one is perfect. There are some things in the bible that are totally not suitable for present day society. I don't like the stance that one religion seems to be considered more perfect than the other.

The Muslim faith has the same issues. But only the most extreme followers are the ones you need to fear, and they are on the fringe of the Muslim community. But they scream the loadest and seem to think they are the ones who invented the wheel. Those same extremes you can also find in Christiany. Sometimes they are total loonies, like the Westboro Baptist Church, but there are also some who have too much weaponry stashed in the attic. Willing to die for the lord....

In either case, in the constitution there was no different made in the freedom of religion. Nowhere is is said that you have the freedom to practice Christianity as the single religion. Where's the freedom I ask....

[Zacha341]

I commented early on... expressing my opinion. The one you responded to!

Beyond that I was away from all 'puters yesterday afternoon. Now I'm back online. And I have commented again 'today' but I choose my battles and options to respond carefully... The article is not central to me and I did not want to put a big 'foot print' on in initially. I simply posted it as a compelling news story. Along with others I post.

You fired up this thread, one sure to feature controversy and heated argument, and yet you have expressed no opinion of your own. Why is that?

Indeed opinions vary on the topic.... centering a great deal on rather is it as issue of political conquest or a cause religious freedom?

[ghettopalmetto]

The article is not central to me and I did not want to put a big 'foot print' on in initially. I simply posted it as a compelling news story. Along with others I post.

So either you think that the rest of us are incapable of following the news on our own, or you're trolling.

[jcole]

So either you think that the rest of us are incapable of following the news on our own, or you're trolling.

Thank you, GP

[Zacha341]

Neither. Your comment is 'boilerplate' inappropriate, rude and most importantly MOOT. Many postings here are mirrored in the media.... DUH!

Thus, WHO ARE YOU TO DETERMINE, DEEM or otherwise DECIDE, which posts, from whom, are news worthy here? Never mind, don't answer that...

"We" already know who you are: the all-might-teee, grand watchman, repository of all knowledge of the DYes site! Sparing and shielding the readers from news posts and comments that could be considered 'base'... or 'low'. Thank you.

Lowell can take a rest from moderating, he has you to do it. You wish....

I'll not even dignify the troll comment... it is beneath me to enter into such a hot-urine 'PISSING' contest as such.

Many have observed your sterling ability to put forth a yellow stream against others; often sacrificing and illegitimizing your original point or position to do so!!!

So either you think that the rest of us are incapable of following the news on our own, or you're trolling.