President Obama stands up for Ground Zero mosque

[littlebuddy]

While moderate muslims are well meaning, this is not the Islam of Mohammad, much like the liberal,socialist,married,non-miracle Jesus of some professing "christians". The muslim closest to what was put forth in the Koran is that all non-muslim people are second,third,forth class citizens, that non-Islamic religious buildings are smaller and less than any Islamic religious building. Conquered land,people or nations by Islam are in the 'houe of peace' and non-conquered lands,people, or nations are in a 'house of war' Islam likes to build a Mosque on some site that has been conquered as a way of showing how superior Islam is. Islam is not about freedom, but submission, and every gain Islam gets is a victory for Islam. It would not surprise me that Sharia law is allowed in Muslim areas in the U.S.[[Dearborn area is one) soon, to appease these people. Why when so many are so eager to do away with any christian symbol of any type, these same people are so eager to appease the followers of Islam. Are they just afraid, or just ignorant of what Islam truly is and would do to us if allowed.

[Detroit Stylin]

While moderate muslims are well meaning, this is not the Islam of Mohammad, much like the liberal,socialist,married,non-miracle Jesus of some professing "christians". The muslim closest to what was put forth in the Koran is that all non-muslim people are second,third,forth class citizens, that non-Islamic religious buildings are smaller and less than any Islamic religious building. Conquered land,people or nations by Islam are in the 'houe of peace' and non-conquered lands,people, or nations are in a 'house of war' Islam likes to build a Mosque on some site that has been conquered as a way of showing how superior Islam is. Islam is not about freedom, but submission, and every gain Islam gets is a victory for Islam. It would not surprise me that Sharia law is allowed in Muslim areas in the U.S.[[Dearborn area is one) soon, to appease these people. Why when so many are so eager to do away with any christian symbol of any type, these same people are so eager to appease the followers of Islam. Are they just afraid, or just ignorant of what Islam truly is and would do to us if allowed.

HIstorically speaking sounds like JUST like some peoples brand of Christianity....

[Gistok]

While moderate muslims are well meaning, this is not the Islam of Mohammad, much like the liberal,socialist,married,non-miracle Jesus of some professing "christians". The muslim closest to what was put forth in the Koran is that all non-muslim people are second,third,forth class citizens, that non-Islamic religious buildings are smaller and less than any Islamic religious building. Conquered land,people or nations by Islam are in the 'houe of peace' and non-conquered lands,people, or nations are in a 'house of war' Islam likes to build a Mosque on some site that has been conquered as a way of showing how superior Islam is. Islam is not about freedom, but submission, and every gain Islam gets is a victory for Islam. It would not surprise me that Sharia law is allowed in Muslim areas in the U.S.[[Dearborn area is one) soon, to appease these people. Why when so many are so eager to do away with any christian symbol of any type, these same people are so eager to appease the followers of Islam. Are they just afraid, or just ignorant of what Islam truly is and would do to us if allowed.

Littlebuddy... nice try on pigeonholing Islam to meet your personal agenda... basically the same thing can be said for practically any religion.

Here's an example from the history books to put your comments into proper perspective...

The Moors of Spain [[8th-15th century) were Islamic... however they practiced tolerance of other religions that would have been the envy of Europe at the time.... Christians and Jews were allowed to worship freely, build their own houses of worship, and be an important part of the culture in that melting pot called Moorish Spain during the 7 centuries they ruled Spain [[or at least parts of it).

When the Moors were finally driven out of Spain in 1492 by those most Catholic of Monarchs Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile... all remaining Muslims and Jews were told to either get out or convert to Christianity.

And guess what else was done... the mosque at Cordoba... one of the largest greatest religious complexes in the world had Cordoba Cathedral built right smack-dab-in-the-middle of the entire complex... this later so disturbed Emperor Charles V [[grandson of Ferdinand and Isabella)... that he told the people of Cordoba... "you have built here something that you could have built anywhere... but you have ruined forever something that is unique in the world..."

And then there's the Spanish inquisition... another showing of benevolence of good ole Ferdinand and Isabella.... it certainly makes the Spanish massacre of the indigenous people of the New World more understandable... those heathens...

So when you make generalizations about Muslims... remember the same argument can basically be spun about any religion...

[Zacha341]

You make some interesting points... especially relative to the quest to censor Christian symbol in contrast... IMO, the perceived 'tethering' of Christianity to the conservative right wing to some makes jettersoning Christian symbols and what not a socially progressive mandate.

While endorsing Islam [[not differentiating its varied off shoots) is often seen as tolerant... and after all it is a SOCIAL taboo to question the details... as the questioning is summed up to be from the repubican camp. And therefore dismissed as bigoted...

Neat nice package... All expression of concern is accounted for.

So many are just accepting their prescribed positioning. It hard to break out of the dem vs. rup rubric to really examine policy.

...Why when so many are so eager to do away with any christian symbol of any type, these same people are so eager to appease the followers of Islam. Are they just afraid, or just ignorant of what Islam truly is and would do to us if allowed.

[sturge]

Why does this make me think this is how it must've started in Germany and their treatment of Jews? Let's first protest against mosque's being built then we'll just up the ante a little more time. If a muslim wasn't our enemy before I'm sure we'll eventually turn him into one if we keep going down this road.

Wish people supported the 1st amendment like they do the 2nd.

[Buy American]

Why does this make me think this is how it must've started in Germany and their treatment of Jews? Let's first protest against mosque's being built then we'll just up the ante a little more time. If a muslim wasn't our enemy before I'm sure we'll eventually turn him into one if we keep going down this road.

Wish people supported the 1st amendment like they do the 2nd.

I think that analogy is going a bit too far in this instance. The circumstances of where they want to build this mosque is at issue. Personally I wouldn't care if it was 2 or 5 miles away; but to have it shadowing ground zero is an insult to everyone who was murdered in NYC, in Pennsylvania, and in Washington, DC on 9/11.

[Detroit Stylin]

I can almost ASSURE you, that if this wold have been the biggest, brightest, SHININGEST church with the worlds largest cross being constructed right on TOP of ground zero, there would be like ZERO outcry from anybody, just celebration and DARE someone to challenge its placement and watch how quick they would be called unamerican....


Double standards at its finest....

[sturge]

I think that analogy is going a bit too far in this instance. The circumstances of where they want to build this mosque is at issue. Personally I wouldn't care if it was 2 or 5 miles away; but to have it shadowing ground zero is an insult to everyone who was murdered in NYC, in Pennsylvania, and in Washington, DC on 9/11.

Depends if this continues to escalate or not. There are other mosque protests across the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...slim-advocates

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2..._in_califo.php

[Buy American]

I wouldn't want to be a muslim in the U.S. today. A lot of animosity, distrust, and yes, hatred.
Does a muslim believe that the Bible to be corrupt? Can you be a good muslim and a good American at the same time? I received this email and would like to know how much of it is true? I am not familiar with the muslim religion and if any of you out there know whether this is true or not, please let me know:

" Can a good Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . [[Quran, 2:256)[[Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs [[spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him [[Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.
Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.

SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

In God We Trust!!!!"

[Detroitej72]

I have no problem with the Mosque, it just shouldn't be at ground zero. That's all I'm against.

It's not at ground zero, genius, it's a few blocks away. I wouldn't expect you to know that though because Fox News Shrills keeps lying about it's location.

By the way, did you know there is a Mosque at the Pentagon?

[Buy American]

By the way, did you know there is a Mosque at the Pentagon?

Would you happen to know how many Christian churches there are in Iraq?

[gazhekwe]

Iraq does not live by the US Constitution. We do.

[Detroit Stylin]

Singing: "I see his truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur colors shining through.......I see is truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue colors shining through! I see his truuuuuuuuuuuuuuue colors....truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure colors!"

[jerrytimes]

Maybe I'm not getting it. Are you saying respect for those who died is to hate another religion?

And seriously, it's a few blocks away. There will be plenty of focus on memorializing the victims at the trade center site itself.

Generally the people complaining are completely unaware of what's going on at the WTC site. It was probably news to them that there was already a tower there on 37th floor and that the museum and memorial are well onto its way to completion. Maybe if they checked up more often they can be constantly reminded....I certainly hope you were before you loaded this article.

I didn't load the article first off, secondly for the last time, not once have I said that hate another religion. Read please before you respond.

[jerrytimes]

Why does this make me think this is how it must've started in Germany and their treatment of Jews? Let's first protest against mosque's being built then we'll just up the ante a little more time. If a muslim wasn't our enemy before I'm sure we'll eventually turn him into one if we keep going down this road.

Wish people supported the 1st amendment like they do the 2nd.

But nobody is saying that it shouldn't be built, just that it should be built farther from the site where a group of radical Muslims killed thousands of humans and changed our nation. That's all.

[jerrytimes]

Would you happen to know how many Christian churches there are in Iraq?

Probably none, since in some Arab countries its illegal to practice other religions. I'm not sure if that's true in Iraq though..... I should look that up.

Edit! I looked it up and it appears that there are at least a few Christian churches in Iraq. I also found out that in Saudi Arabia, there is not since it is illegal to have those beliefs.

[Jimaz]

I received this email....

LOL! Well, there's your problem right there.

[jiminnm]

Just like when Obama was in the Senate, he is continuing to vote 'present'. He was correct, of course, in stating that Muslims have the legal right to build a mosque near ground zero. Unfortunately, he followed that by saying that he refused to comment on the wisdom of doing so. True statesmen take positions based on what they think is correct and explain or defend them, not waffle trying to appease those who might disagree.

[jerrytimes]

It's not at ground zero, genius, it's a few blocks away. I wouldn't expect you to know that though because Fox News Shrills keeps lying about it's location.

By the way, did you know there is a Mosque at the Pentagon?

No shit, genius, I've mentioned that numerous times. Fox News does say that as well. Like I've mentioned to others, please read what I've said BEFORE you comment.

I also enjoy how everyone here that doesn't agree with my PERSONAL OPINION likes to label me as a right Republican Conservative, as you pretty much did by stating that I must only get my information from Fox News. Unlike you [[I'm guessing) and most people here [[again, just guessing) I get my news from multiple sources. CNN, FOX, MSNBC. Sure, I agree with some more than others, but I'm not a one sided close minded individual.

[jerrytimes]

Just like when Obama was in the Senate, he is continuing to vote 'present'. He was correct, of course, in stating that Muslims have the legal right to build a mosque near ground zero. Unfortunately, he followed that by saying that he refused to comment on the wisdom of doing so. True statesmen take positions based on what they think is correct and explain or defend them, not waffle trying to appease those who might disagree.

I agree. I wish our president would have given us a reason, his true feelings. That's something that he needs to start doing more. Don't be like other politicians. Then again, that's what George W Bush did and it got him in trouble. He'd have an opinion or idea, he wouldn't keep his mouth shut, even when he should have, and he'd blurt it out before thinking about it.

[gibran]

can a Catholic/Papist be a true American...Can a Jew not put Israel first...can anyone practice their religion in America? look at the graves of our soldiers form these faiths and then answer that question... for all groups can practice freedom of relgion here and not in some countries is not at issue, what is at issue is are we going to surrender to fear and the neocons dreamof a new world order of hate.

[gibran]

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[jerrytimes]

But we aren't talking about hating other religions or stopping them here. That's not it at all, but just like us, religions need to respect others and their lives, and their religions for that matter. They need to realize this with their decision. If people are law abiding citizens [[great movie by the way) then I couldn't care less what they practice. I don't even care if you are Atheist or worship the devil. Don't care, just respect others.

[gibran]

Christians in the Middle-east have been under pressure for along time...not only in Arab countries but in Israel as well...they are "tolerated" by some countries and are semi-welcomed [[Egypt)and as part of the farbic of others [[lebanon and syria). But politics raises it's head and then there is trouble...that is why a seperation of chruch and state is importent...becuase politics change...just elect Sarah and the tea party and you will see tolerance [[which is not acceptance) wane.

[barnesfoto]

gosh, it seems like just yesterday when conservocrite icon Ronald Ray-Gun and his cronies were sending money and guns to Islamic fanatics in the name of anti-communism. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar was a murderous thug 30 years ago, when our tax dollars were subsidizing him, and he's a murderous thug now.
I've never heard any member of the Republican Party, the folks that always like to yammer about "responsibility" apologize for subsidizing the very Radical Islamists who they now are all whipped into a frenzy about.
But radical islamists are not behind this project, it's not on ground zero, it's a community center, not a mosque, and no taxpayer dollars are supporting it. We've always had freedom of religion in this country, so why should anything change now?
The anti muslim, anti immigrant rants of those whose sympathies lean towards a sick cult known as the GOP are a convenient diversion from their failed policies of endless war, endless deregulation and endless tax cuts, however.

It would be nice to see the building that's on that site preserved, but nobody should be denying any religious group the right to build a building in America, unless it's on a public school playground.

Of course, as a non-believer in invisible helpers in the sky, I'm with anyone who wants to start taxing organized religion, and I wonder how many conservatives will support the rights of this guy to open a gay bar catering to muslims next to the proposed community center. He's gonna call it "Outfidels", get it?