Detroit's next white mayor

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cough Robert Byrd cough

woops sorry liberals can't be racists

cough Harry "negro" Reid cough

cough Chris "I forgot he was black" Mathews cough

Byrd's voting record: http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53359

Reid's voting record: http://www.votesmart.org/voting_cate...p?can_id=53320

Chris Mathews is not a politician. I didn't bring up Pat Buchanan, I brought up a SITTING United States Congressman who believes that black people were better off as slaves...

Wait. I thought conservatives didn't think that racism exists anymore? That the United States is a strict meritocracy? So of course, according to conservative dogma, liberals can't be racist! That's because NO white people can! Racism is all in black people's minds!

[swingline]

I don't think it's going to happen as long as we have elected officials getting support with their "the white suburbanites are trying to steal our 'jewels' like Cobo" stuff going on. Then again, if it happened in Baltimore in "The Wire ..."
As for Latinos running, Hansen Clarke has run but received little support.

BoD, good point about the "stealing our jewels" hacks and the crowd that they appeal to. It's a facile strategy used by too many local politicians who don't have the skills, experience or integrity to develop principled policy positions. It's also too easy of a viewpoint for lazy voters to latch onto. Why bother to try to examine a policy issue in any depth when you're being "victimized."

Fortunately, it seems that the most of the recently elected folks in Detroit do not seem to be adherents of this destructive and divisive ploy.

Note: I don't think that Hansen Clarke is Hispanic.

[stasu1213]

BoD, good point about the "stealing our jewels" hacks and the crowd that they appeal to. It's a facile strategy used by too many local politicians who don't have the skills, experience or integrity to develop principled policy positions. It's also too easy of a viewpoint for lazy voters to latch onto. Why bother to try to examine a policy issue in any depth when you're being "victimized."

Fortunately, it seems that the most of the recently elected folks in Detroit do not seem to be adherents of this destructive and divisive ploy.

Note: I don't think that Hansen Clarke is Hispanic.

I agree. The question that should be ask is What are you doing, Detroit Leaders to improve the upkeep of your jewels? Cobo Hall was renovated in the late 1980s. A year ago the roof leaked. What happened to the money that was set aside for the upkeep of things such as the roof and other parts of the structure? Understand; Detroit wasn't black controlled; it was black ranned. The people who control and will control Detroit are outsiders with MONEY. When the money is pulled out, the city sinks. The Black Slate and other entities in the like has done nothing for blacks. The elected or selected politicians in Detroit are not going to meet the needs of the people. Belle Isle evolved into a haven for rowdy kids and a infestation of drug and gang activities on a warm weekend's night. Residents say that outsiders are taking that away. It is for the best for the residents themselves can't afford to keep up the island. No one was concern about Cobo Hall until Monica Conyers and company had made a big issue of it. Cobo wasn't a big contributor in implementing funds into the city's pot for extra police, ems, and services. Detroiters need to stop letting these interloper talk show hosts and misleading politicians sway detroiter's attention from things that need to be concern about to trivia things residents have no control or say so in.

[Ravine]

Stasu, I think I generally agree with a lot of what you are getting at, with that post, but it's really, really difficult to be sure.

[Zacha341]

"Sorry" you feel that way, but it's my comment stated on an open and public forum and I will not retract it... Opinions vary, and your generalization that all black people either vote democrat or note at all is untrue. But, it's a generalization that is assumed and endorsed for may reasons; political objectives and agendas [[right and LEFT!).

yep your right only 95% of blacks voted for obama

sorry with that kind of number the above quoted statement is pretty absurd

Please don't refer to any African Americans voters as "independents"

Most fall under the category of non-motivated democratic voters

meaning they either vote democratic or don't vote at all-- that's how they show their independence

[Zacha341]

Yep, the "stealing" the jewels argument is getting old especially as the jewels are corroding right up under our feet due to finance and abandonment. I've said it before, Detroit cannot function as an island. It's low hanging fruit to present this simplistic idea without examining deeper what is going on or will continue with things as they have been...

BoD, good point about the "stealing our jewels" hacks and the crowd that they appeal to. It's a facile strategy used by too many local politicians who don't have the skills, experience or integrity to develop principled policy positions. It's also too easy of a viewpoint for lazy voters to latch onto. Why bother to try to examine a policy issue in any depth when you're being "victimized."

Fortunately, it seems that the most of the recently elected folks in Detroit do not seem to be adherents of this destructive and divisive ploy.

Note: I don't think that Hansen Clarke is Hispanic.

[Hypestyles]

Depending on how Council by District ends up working out, that could be a stepping stone..
Detroit still has the strong undercurrent of reactionary treatment of anyone perceived as an 'outsider', i.e., not born & raised in the city.. the nationalistic folk will hyper-stress the need for 'black power' to remain a constant in the city, etc.

[jackie5275]

Note: I don't think that Hansen Clarke is Hispanic.

Hansen Clarke is part African American and part Indian, not Native American Indian, but from India Indian.

[jt1]

When will Oakland County elect a black County executive?

[dove-7]

Oakland elected Jerry Brown to two terms as mayor, I believe, and whites make up perhaps a third of its population. I certainly think a white candidate with a committed image and a clear program would have a shot. Maryann Mahaffey was the top council vote-getter until quite recently. This said, I don't see one on the horizon.

Here's the thing, while Oakland does have a large Black population, they still don't make up the majority of the city to vote in a Black mayor. Oakland is a very diverse city. They have a Chinese, Filipino, Hispanic and White population here. There are areas on the east side of Oakland where blacks once lived, the Chinese have moved in and the Hispanics are growing fast here and will be, if not already the majority here. Also, the politics are different here compared to Detroit and metro Detroit. Large liberal population here in the Bay area.

Anyways, I predict that an Hispanic mayor due to the fast growing population in the country.

[dove-7]

You can make fun of me all you want. To me it is the truth. I didnt expect you to admit it.

This is ironic, I was on a another forum where another "I don't know what I'm talking about" poster threw out that same myth. I'm going to quote someone from that thread that put this b.s. into perspective.



"ixxxix wrote:
Stop right there.


As a blanket democraphic, Black Americans unrepentantly vote Democrat as they have for the last few decades. This dates back to when Carter was elected, or even about a decade before. Over 82% of time, Black American voters cast their ballot for the Democrat candidate and has only increased over time, earning them status with other demographics as "yellow dog Democrats" [[not to be confused with Blue-Dog Democrats) or in other words "People who'd vote for any Democrat, even if it was a yellow dog."

I've posted these numbers before on presidential elections, but I'll do them again to give some clarity.


•2004 John Kerry: 92%
•2000 Al Gore: 90%
•1996 Bill Clinton: 84%
•1992 Bill Clinton: 83%
•1988 Michael Dukakis: [[still searching for this percentage)
•1980 Jimmy Carter: 80%


And what percentage did our current President receive?

2008 Barack Obama: 96%

An increase of 4 percentage points. A notable increase, sure, but not enough to base it on race. Given the frustration over Republican policies, there's every reason to believe that 96% of Black voters would have cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton [[she's very popular with the Black American community) or any other Democratic candidate.

I steadfastly maintain that Black Americans show far more of a bias towards party than color as evidenced by the fact that Al Sharpton, Cynthia McKinney and Alan Keyes never garnered any support from the Black American community at large [[though a Democrat, Black Americans didn't support Sharpton because like everyone else, they didn't see him as a viable candidate).



The only Black Republican who could possibly get 96% of the Black American vote is Colin Powell..."

Qft. And bottom line here, Blacks don't gravitate towards others because they're Black.

[dove-7]

Your absolutely right Ihearted. Of course you are. Your not going to change my mind. Yes I know most blacks vote democratically.

So based on that logic, this equates to Blacks voting for Obama because he's Black? Hillary had the Black vote before her and daddy Bill played the race card by trying to accuse Obama of playing the race. When they pulled that shit, they lost the Black votes. So no, Blacks in general didn't vote for him because he's Black. Most of them saw the better candidate. See my cite above^ that destroys your myth.

[dove-7]

No I don't agree with anyone's sarcasm that is an exchange from a lie to truth or a truth for a lie. You have written in your quote that 'You're absolutely right. It's a known fact that black voters have never, ever supported white democrats that run for President. [[Please note sarcasm). That 93-97% black vote that the democrats receive is a myth.'...and that myth is FALSE! Black folks have the power to support any politicial party they want. They can even support the Communist and Socialist Party and the The Palin's Teabagger party, too. Black folks have been supported white democrats before and after the Kennedy /Johnson years after the 14th and 15th Amendments to get blacks the right to vote in the 1870s. More blacks voted for Bill Clinton than other white democrat. Therefore be careful of writing your viewpoints about other people and cultures. You will be debated by some smart alecks like Rasputin to Blacksoul X.

WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

Black folks can do ALL things through white folks which empowers their hopes and dreams and reform this backwards nation.

In Memoriam: Neda Soltani.

You read his point out of context. He was agreeing with you, but he was mocking the other poster. Please recognize sarcasm and agreement when you see it. Perhaps the sarcasm meter was low to the point where you didn't recognized that he didn't have any agenda to knock down Obama and the Blacks that voted for him.

[dove-7]

If you're agreeing with me, then why have you put this 'You're absolutely right. It's a known fact that black voters have never, ever supported white democrats that run for President. [[Please note sarcasm). That 93-97% black vote that the democrats receive is a myth.' in this forum? Otherwise what are you agreeing with?

Danny? You're a smart guy, but you got me on this one. Hence [[sarcasm) in his initial reply where he was mocking the other guy that you're debating with too.

[stasu1213]

Stasu, I think I generally agree with a lot of what you are getting at, with that post, but it's really, really difficult to be sure.

I could understand why some of the things I comment on is difficult. I am not just saying things to cause an argument or to vent my frustration caused by something else. Belle Isle was almost literally taken over by young people in the past 20yrs or so. I avoid that island on weekends for the unruly teenagers and young adults who causes violence and sell drugs on the island. It is true that more events are happening on the island in the daytime. It is a different story after dark. I am for the island becoming a metro park. Many people in Detroit don't care who owns the island as long as it is accesable to the people. Cobo Hall is not a major money maker for the city. It was neglected when it was owned by the city. What happened to the money that was set aside for the upkeep of Cobo Hall? Why did the roof leaked and collasped last year during the auto show? The money was probably being used for something else instead of it's initial purpose. The leaders had influence the residents to be in an uproar about the selling of Cobo Hall to a regional authority while the focus was being pulled away from the public school takeover at that time by Granholm and Bobb.The contiuous downsizing of city services. The misuse of the city's pension fund set aside for retired or retiring city workers. Those are the reasons why the residents should stay forcus on all that is happening in Detroit not just the things that doesn't make a dent in bring revenue to Detroit or improves the neighborhood

[stasu1213]

So based on that logic, this equates to Blacks voting for Obama because he's Black? Hillary had the Black vote before her and daddy Bill played the race card by trying to accuse Obama of playing the race. When they pulled that shit, they lost the Black votes. So no, Blacks in general didn't vote for him because he's Black. Most of them saw the better candidate. See my cite above^ that destroys your myth.

That is true.Majority of Blacks didn't vote for Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988. Very few if any voted for The Rev Al Shaprton when he was running. It was a waisted vote anyway. Many Blacks did not know anything about Obama. He became popular during the 2004 convention. Won the Senate that year and two years later annouced that he was running for President. Blacks weren't sure about him so the most popular Hillary was a sure shot.

[milesdriven]

Toledo is 70% white, and they elected a black mayor.

[stasu1213]

Whenever a mayor know how to take care of business and look out for the people of the city instead of his family and friends, people of any race in that city would vote for him/her