Voter Fraud in Detroit?

[Henry Whalley]

At what point does signing affidavits become perjury?

Bearing false witness in speech or writing are abominations in the eyes of the Creator according to all religions and moral traditions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Strangely enough, they are not sinful in Satanism or the USA. They are the stock-in-trade of ___________ [[fill in the blank.)

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" [[Exodus 20:16) is the ninth commandment.

Ironically, Scripture says that a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers, are abominations to the Lord. It’s ironic because much of Scripture itself is fake news.

The Torah contains a number of prohibitions against false witness, lying, spreading false reports, etc. If testimony were proven, the false witness was to receive the punishment he had intended to bring on the person falsely accused. For example, since murder was a capital crime, giving false testimony in a murder case was subject to the death penalty. Those eager to receive or listen to false testimony were also subject to punishment.

The lying witness is a deceitful man who mocks at justice. He is like a war club, or a sword, or a sharp arrow. Solomon says a false witness will perish, if he does not repent.

False testimony is among the things that defile a person, Jesus says.

[Zacha341]

Detroit voters sue Trump over unsubstantiated claims of fraud
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...laims/12908186

Key points:

• A group of black voters and a voting rights organisation in Detroit are suing the President
• Republicans have written to the Michigan board of canvassers asking it to adjourn for 14 days
• The Trump campaign has not been able to provide evidence for widespread voter fraud

[Cincinnati_Kid]

According to some news networks, Trump won by a landslide [[401 EV). Unfortunately for the American people, the lying Democrat’s rigged and stole the election out from under them.
So how do we settle our disagreement? In fact, it’s a disagreement amongst 150 million voters. How about we follow the law and settle in court?

You Trumpsters need to come to the realization, the tyrant is no longer the president. People were tired of the shitshow, so they voted accordingly. Glad his ass is out. 4 more years of his antics, would be too much to bare. Now the country can breathe fresh air, instead of that stale shit coming from his mouth.

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Detroit voters sue Trump over unsubstantiated claims of fraud
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...laims/12908186

Key points:

• A group of black voters and a voting rights organisation in Detroit are suing the President
• Republicans have written to the Michigan board of canvassers asking it to adjourn for 14 days
• The Trump campaign has not been able to provide evidence for widespread voter fraud

Good summary.
I have only one important question: Has the Trump campaign provided any evidence of voter fraud?
If so I haven't seen it.
If not I suggest "widespread" obscures the truth a bit.
And if not, by no means is the news source you cited the only one using the term.
All the so-called "left-leaning" "mainstream media" seem to be doing it.

[Meddle]

Good summary.
I have only one important question: Has the Trump campaign provided any evidence of voter fraud?
If so I haven't seen it.

'The proof of widespread massive yuuuugggeee fraud is that I didn't win.'

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^^^ Ha! But too polite-- actually responds to the question. Needs false claims of victimization, other lies, whinier whines, insults, and bigger barely hidden tears. Still lacks daddy, still wants mommy.

[Zacha341]

So glad I'm not a Trumpster - or a Harris/ Biden champion either for that matter. This thing is more detailed than the us vs. them! But I get that the great divide put forth is far nicely manageable for the greater control from folks behind the scenes and agendas beyond the artifacts shown.

The question remaining is what constitutes the justification from either party to believe they must apply leverage to win - motivated from varied moral grounds of rightness or whatever? I don't think the GOP owns this.

As I have said before 'who's hands are 100% clean here?' For certain I am not going to count the dems as fraud free.

You Trumpsters need to come to the realization, the tyrant is no longer the president. People were tired of the shitshow, so they voted accordingly. Glad his ass is out. 4 more years of his antics, would be too much to bare. Now the country can breathe fresh air, instead of that stale shit coming from his mouth.

[Maof]

According to some news networks, Trump won by a landslide [[401 EV). Unfortunately for the American people, the lying Democrat’s rigged and stole the election out from under them.
So how do we settle our disagreement? In fact, it’s a disagreement amongst 150 million voters. How about we follow the law and settle in court?

Only according to his own campaign lawyer Sidney Powell, did he win by a landslide. "Release the Kracken"!

[Meddle]

How about we follow the law and settle in court?

He's filed about 30 cases in different courts in different states. He's lost them all, but maybe one.

How long should he be able to tie up the courts and keep them from other cases?

[Maof]

Tom Barrett and Jason Wentworth did too.
We're so honored to have been pulled so far into the clown show.
They were invited there to discuss COVID, heheha right!
Trump 'fessed what it was really about, on Twitter [[of course), like an inept Bond villain.
They were seen celebrating over a $750 bottle of Dom Perignon later that night, at Trump's hotel [[of course). Paid for by our Michigan taxes. What was that about?
Can you imagine Whitmer doing that, and if she did what bloody murder they'd cry?
Meanwhile Trump skipped today's meeting to discuss COVID among the G20 to golf at his Virginia golf course.
That was paid for by our federal taxes. And since it was at Trump's
own course he made a handy profit off it. Again.
Like he did when our reps booked rooms and splurged at his hotel.

I'll say it again, he'll continue with his shenanigans until the day he dies. It won't end until then. I suppose there's always jr. who seems to follow in his old man's footsteps. That's a scary thought.

[Meddle]

I'm not sure either DonnyJ, eWreck or the Blonde have the chutzpah to inherit Cult45. Followers, Lieutenants .. yes ... DearLeader? Don't think so.

[Richard]

He's filed about 30 cases in different courts in different states. He's lost them all, but maybe one.

How long should he be able to tie up the courts and keep them from other cases?

They were not ment to win on the local level,it was to get it to the federal level outside of the local corruption grasp.


Thats like little red riding hood asking the wolf to escort her home safely.

There is a legal process that has to be followed and be exhausted before going on to the next step.

For at least another 4 years,remember you guys did the same thing built on conjecture,bombshell witnesses that got their information from a friend of a friend and Russians hiding in the bushes while flooding the courts.

Do not forget,it was at this time in 2016 when the first impeachment attempt grounds were being laid,before even he took office.

Here is a clip on Wayne county where there is concern about double counting of the vote,once at the precinct then transferred to the TCF center and counted again as a new vote.

Could be why there were more votes then voters and a good reason to certify before an actual hand recount exposes it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=syTGZpwq554

[SammyS]

Democrats know very well this last election was rife with fraud which is why they threaten opponents with doxing, violence and now, criminal charges.
The noose is tightening quicker by the day so expect the heat to rise on both sides.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonathanT...513%2Fpage-229

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[Jimaz]

At what point does signing affidavits become perjury? Serious question.

Edit. Found this:

What Is the Penalty for a False Affidavit?

Here's a bit more on the subject. It's interesting to hear the words of the judge himself. [[How often does THAT happen?) They do mention perjury but obliquely.

Judge issues humiliating smackdown of Trump lawyers in court

[Wesley Mouch]

He's filed about 30 cases in different courts in different states. He's lost them all, but maybe one.

How long should he be able to tie up the courts and keep them from other cases?

Lawsuits to hold our election officials accountable is the farthest thing from a waster of court time.

Its my opinion, and the opinion of tens of millions of Americans that vote fraud may have occurred.

Voting is the core of our democracy.

Its worth a lot of effort to make sure it was and will be done right -- especially in our big cities where:

--the dominant political party runs the elections,
--that party celebrates being the 'resistance' against Trump, and
--has local leaders who have been convicted federally*
--that party pushed widespread, less secure mail-in voting.

* "Kilpatrick was found guilty by a jury on two dozen counts including those for racketeering, extortion, mail fraud, and tax evasion, among others [[wikipedia) -- I think this shifts the burden of proof from Trump to Detroit election officials, who should be proving that their handling of the election was 100% clean.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

So glad I'm not a Trumpster - or a Harris/ Biden champion either for that matter. This thing is more detailed than the us vs. them! But I get that the great divide put forth is far nicely manageable for the greater control from folks behind the scenes and agendas beyond the artifacts shown.

The question remaining is what constitutes the justification from either party to believe they must apply leverage to win - motivated from varied moral grounds of rightness or whatever? I don't think the GOP owns this.

As I have said before 'who's hands are 100% clean here?' For certain I am not going to count the dems as fraud free.

I'm in no way suggesting the Dems are angels either. All politicians talk out the side of their necks. But for the Trump and the GOP to suggest all the votes that were counted are fraudulent, is ridiculous. Trump actually torpedoed his own campaign before it even started, by bitchin and moaning that mail-in and absentee voting was fraudulent, suggesting to his base to go to the polls instead. He got smoked by the mail-in votes. Good for him. He lost, now let's move on.

[Meddle]

-- I think this shifts the burden of proof from Trump to Detroit election officials, who should be proving that their handling of the election was 100% clean.

A wee bit closer to the current time line .... how many of the Orange Don's compatriots and cronies have plead guilty, been convicted, indicted, arrested, etc. in recent years? I think that totally, completely and utterly destroys his credibility, word or beliefs on anything and everything. I wouldn't believe him if he said it was Sunday while pointing at a calendar [[no Sharpies allowed).

[Danny]

Trump is fighting a losing battle. He will not find a single relief from this losing fatigue. He will just have to concede or come midnight on January 21 2021. Biden will just escort him and his family out of the White House into the street with no helicopter rides.

[Danny]

Detroit voters sue Trump over unsubstantiated claims of fraud
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-...laims/12908186

Key points:

• A group of black voters and a voting rights organisation in Detroit are suing the President
• Republicans have written to the Michigan board of canvassers asking it to adjourn for 14 days
• The Trump campaign has not been able to provide evidence for widespread voter fraud

Too late those judges will throw those documents in the circular file and will not a get an answer.

[oladub]

I'm in no way suggesting the Dems are angels either. All politicians talk out the side of their necks. But for the Trump and the GOP to suggest all the votes that were counted are fraudulent, is ridiculous. Trump actually torpedoed his own campaign before it even started, by bitchin and moaning that mail-in and absentee voting was fraudulent, suggesting to his base to go to the polls instead. He got smoked by the mail-in votes. Good for him. He lost, now let's move on.

Considering statistically improbable late night vote dumps in Detroit, one would have to deny probability to at least not go over results. When there seems to be too much coincidence, the situation at hand is often not coincidence although 99% Biden vote dumps are theoretically possible.

I am curious what will happen to Abraham Aiyash the Democratic organizer and representative elect of Detroit's 4th Congressional District. Technically, endangering a Wayne County canvasser's children by focusing on information about them is not a crime. Antifa says the same when it outs someone. In fact, Mr. Aiyash claims now that he didn't even know that she had children going to the school he mentioned. Even so, his actions are being interpreted as at least not wise or callous. He isn't someone I would entrust my family's safety to. But what reprimands are coming his way from other public officials and the Democratic Party? He is a Bernie Democrat. Silence is consent.

[SammyS]

Considering statistically improbable late night vote dumps in Detroit, one would have to deny probability to at least not go over results. When there seems to be too much coincidence, the situation at hand is often not coincidence although 99% Biden vote dumps are theoretically possible.

I am curious what will happen to Abraham Aiyash the Democratic organizer and representative elect of Detroit's 4th Congressional District. Technically, endangering a Wayne County canvasser's children by focusing on information about them is not a crime. Antifa says the same when it outs someone. In fact, Mr. Aiyash claims now that he didn't even know that she had children going to the school he mentioned. Even so, his actions are being interpreted as at least not wise or callous. He isn't someone I would entrust my family's safety to. But what reprimands are coming his way from other public officials and the Democratic Party? He is a Bernie Democrat. Silence is consent.

You know there’s no accountability for the left as long as they have the MSM derailing and diverting the conversation, and it goes to the highest level. Remember Obama received a Nobel prize for his peace droning of almost 500k innocent brown people. Trump brokers peace deals in the ME that have been on the table for decades without much mention. Crackhead Hunter Biden’s laptop is a non issue whist Ivanka gets harassed about taxes.
So yes, I expect bad actors like Aiyash to skate but I prey the demons in his head haunt him in his sleep. You know exactly what you did you SOB and I expect karma to reap its revenge on you when least expected.

[JonWylie]

* "Kilpatrick was found guilty by a jury on two dozen counts including those for racketeering, extortion, mail fraud, and tax evasion, among others [[wikipedia) -- I think this shifts the burden of proof from Trump to Detroit election officials, who should be proving that their handling of the election was 100% clean.

You think wrong