How many COVID-19 patients have gotten care at TCF Center?

[marvelsferb7]

Last month, the TCF center [[formally known as Cobo Hall) was transformed into a field hospital to treat "1,000 patients". I've not seen any new photos or news since the original announcement.
I imagine that having a low patient count is good, but I really haven't heard one way or the other. Driving by the outside it appears quiet. Anyone have the scoop?SHAREit Appvn

[Seven&wyo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.met...dia=AMP%2bHTML

As of 4/16 only 8 and I doubt it'll even get to 30

[Ray1936]

I'm getting a feeling that this whole thing was 90% bullshit; just a particularly nasty flu bug that hits every spring. But me wear mask anyway.

[SpartanDawg]

I'm getting a feeling that this whole thing was 90% bullshit; just a particularly nasty flu bug that hits every spring. But me wear mask anyway.

oh boy.. bad take bud. coming from a hospital worker, easy with the conspiracy theories

[CR75]

Decisions were/are still made with bad data, or with no data at all, that's the problem. The mortality rate turned out to be much lower than initially reported, by a factor of 10 at least. Same with the infection rate, which has settled below 1.0 [[I am referring to data from Germany, the only country who took data collection seriously since the beginning).

That's why imho the TCF center was setup initially and why it turned out to be completely unnecessary.

[Zacha341]

Nice horse. No one can tell those of us who have lost so many family members and friends within a concentrated 45-day span that the reality of COVID-19 is bull. Or considered a JOKE. We will not/ cannot do that!

Nor WILL WE toss-off the specificity of this virus which has so caused the loss and sickness of our fellow citizens. NOPE.

WE CLEARLY know, [[as evidenced daily) and understand that the Coronavirus/ COVID-19 [[or whatever it may be named onward) in its concentrated death-toll alone, is well beyond the annual, seasonal, or standard flu.

Read my full response [[#948) to your earlier post: https://www.detroityes.com/mb/showth...-Thread/page38

DetroitYES! We will more than over come this. Thank you.

I'm getting a feeling that this whole thing was 90% bullshit; just a particularly nasty flu bug that hits every spring. But me wear mask anyway.

[Jimaz]

I'm getting a feeling that this whole thing was 90% bullshit; just a particularly nasty flu bug that hits every spring....

According to the Baltimore classification, COVID19 is in category IV with rhinoviruses, not category V with influenza. It's explained well at about 3:30 in How are Viruses Classified?.

From what we know so far, the COVID19 Coronavirus is far more serious than the influenza virus. It seems to spread more easily and seems to have a death rate of at least 10 times that of the seasonal flu virus.

[Jimaz]

[Zacha341]

When it's someone else, another state, or a city far away that's easy to do!

[JBMcB]

Parsing risk is notoriously hard for people to do. The best way to understand risk is to compare it to something else. For instance, the chance of dying by living near a nuclear power plant over 60 years is about the same as driving on a freeway for a few miles. The point isn't so much that both are entirely safe, the point is that you should be *way* more concerned with driving.

As for COVID-19 - imagine there was a wide-spread bug living across the US, like a mosquito. If you were bit by this mosquito, you had a 1% chance of dying, or a higher chance of having to spend a month or two in the hospital. Would you be hanging around outside a lot? Probably not.

Now, trade the mosquito with other people, and hanging around outside with hanging around other people. The more you are exposed to other people, the more rolls of the dice you are taking.

[Bigdd]

oh boy.. bad take bud. coming from a hospital worker, easy with the conspiracy theories

Most hospitals are 1/2 empty and loosing money. A lot of workers are got laid off. Hope you don't loose your job. If you're working in Detroit you should be OK.


The 2 hospital ships treated like 100 patients combined. The emergency hospitals the army set up in Lousiana, Seattle etc that can handle many thousands of patients I believe treated none. The Javitis Center in New York treated nearly 1,100. [[But was planning on seeing 5k or more. Had beds for 2,500 at a time). They are closing down today I believe, with the last 1/2 doz patients being discharged.

[EGrant]

At what point do we stop moving the goalposts and claiming it's "just the flu"? 75K deaths? 100K? 150K?

I'm happy we don't need to use the TCF Center; it means the absolute worst case has not happened.

[Bigdd]

At what point do we stop moving the goalposts and claiming it's "just the flu"? 75K deaths? 100K? 150K?

I'm pretty sure you're imagining that. I haven't seen anyone anywhere claim it's just the FLU.

What people HAVE done is compare the death numbers to the FLU's death numbers,.. so as to try to keep this in perspective.

It's the same as if people compared the numbers to deaths by smoking [[480,000 per year). That wouldn't even IMPLY that Covid is smoking.

Hospitals overwhelmed? Refrigerated trucks to hold the excess bodies backed up to hospitals? We had that the last couple years during flu season. But we're used to it,.. so the media never mentioned it.

[Zacha341]

A couple of folks here made inferences, at least, [[some direct comments) that the COVID as like the annual flu. That is especially easy to do behind a keyboard in another state. We know Detroiter's are dying!

I got a few folks 'together' fast on that as the concentration of deaths in such a short-time, and high contagion/ infection rate of COVID-19 ranks it beyond the standard flu. As a Detroiter I could not sit silent. Nope. I've known too many people recovered, sick and dead [[students, friends, family etc.). My reality is beyond flat screens and laptop news viewing!

Comparing it [[COVID-19) to the 1918 Spanish Flu [[or whatever you want to call it) Pandemic would be more appropriate.

I'm pretty sure you're imagining that. I haven't seen anyone anywhere claim it's just the FLU.

What people HAVE done is compare the death numbers to the FLU's death numbers,.. so as to try to keep this in perspective.

It's the same as if people compared the numbers to deaths by smoking [[480,000 per year). That wouldn't even IMPLY that Covid is smoking.

[gumby]

I'm pretty sure you're imagining that. I haven't seen anyone anywhere claim it's just the FLU.

Then you need to reread just 8 comments before yours.

[EGrant]

I'm pretty sure you're imagining that. I haven't seen anyone anywhere claim it's just the FLU.

Someone literally made that claim on this page of the thread.

[Zacha341]

Hah! And hear I thought that was my lying 'eyes' again! -- --

Someone literally made that claim on this page of the thread.

[Bigdd]

Someone literally made that claim on this page of the thread.

Whoops, my bad.

"""From what we know so far, the COVID19 Coronavirus is far more serious than the influenza virus. It seems to spread more easily and seems to have a death rate of at least 10 times that of the seasonal flu virus."""

I'm guessing they would seriously revise that if they had today's data. "If" Covid was 2.5x as transmittable as the Flu,.. AND was 10X as deadly,.. then we'd have had 1 million deaths by now.

Seems more like it is 2 x as transmittable,. and the death rate is around 1-2 x the flu.

In highly dense areas like Manhattan,. the death rate has approached 0.5% according to Gov Como,.. but in most other parts of the country it is a fraction of that.

[Richard]

Someone literally made that claim on this page of the thread.

Outside of saying the flu is nothing like the corona virus,which outside of its spread rate the systems are the same along with the COD,how does one dispute the numbers,account for the 60,000 flu deaths.

Flu season ended in May,the flu did not actually say,its May time to go away.

The corona virus did not collude with the flu and say let me show you how it is done,they were both here producing the same results.

The CDC could do surprise visits on hospitals in the hardest hit locations and do autopsies and then get a generalized idea but even at that somebody that started with the flu and then picked up the virus would test different.

They can list the cities with the most flu deaths this year but they will not because they have no idea if they were actually flu related or Coronavirus,hospitals are just going to say,patient showed and passed of symptoms of the virus,with never really knowing if it was flu related.

So now you have the typical 25-60,000 flu deaths that nobody can or will verify and really no incentive to actually track.

It is not a dispute of the corona virus is more deadly then the flu,it’s a dispute of reporting and separation of the death toll.

So saying the corona virus is deadlier then the flu,so shut up about the flu,without actually showing where those deaths went,is not seeking the facts that surrounds the Coronavirus and taking the death toll at face value,or getting a true grasp on the situation.

This issue was presented to the governor of New York by a reporter,his reply was misreporting by the hospitals would be considered fraud,case closed.

In Oder to prove fraud they would have to differentiate between the COD of the corona virus verse the flu,which they cannot.

I tried doing a comparison for the City of Detroit flu deaths last year as a general guide,it appears as if the City of Detroit has its own health department and I could not find the numbers,maybe somebody else can.

So now they are predicting a second wave in the fall,the same time flu season kicks in again,how can they predict something in the future when they know so little about it now.

Its to late now for the answers but I think what they should do in the fall is reimburse hospitals from the federal level,not only corona virus related but also flu related and remove the possibility of reporting discrepancies.

But they have to provide the paperwork documentation that shows the actual cause of hospitalization and death and exactly what it was related to.

[GPCharles]

I wish the media would drop the daily scorecard of deaths/infections. People are dying of other causes, but they seem to be an afterthought. For instance, per the CDC, about 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways.

I get it - the Corona Virus is a serious issue, but there are people dying of other causes. Every death, whatever the cause, creates grief for someone.

[Zacha341]

I am hearing you on that. However, the historic concentration of deaths [[people dying daily) in Detroit [[over 1000+ in fifty or so days) is why the focus needs to remain on stopping COVID-19! Please take care people!

I am also concerned about those who may be postponing treatments for other issues due to fear of going to hospitals and hospitals determining what care is 'essential'!? There are going to be deaths from that as well.

I wish the media would drop the daily scorecard of deaths/infections. People are dying of other causes, but they seem to be an afterthought. For instance, per the CDC, about 647,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths. More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways.

I get it - the Corona Virus is a serious issue, but there are people dying of other causes. Every death, whatever the cause, creates grief for someone.

[Bigdd]

............ the historic concentration of deaths [[people dying daily) in Detroit is why the focus needs to remain on stopping COVID-19!

I am also concerned about those who may be postponing treatments for other issues due to fear of going to hospitals and hospitals determining what care is 'essential'!? There are going to be deaths from that as well.

Yep.

Deaths from postponing treatments,

Deaths from suicide,

Compromised immune systems from fear [[which causes fight-or-flight to kick in, and your immune to partially shut down).

Compromised immune systems from quarantine [[continual exposure to bacteria and viruses is what builds and maintains our immune systems. The longer we stay separated and wiping everything down with sanitizer,.. the worse shape we'll be in when the restrictions are lifted).

All that needs to be balanced against the Covid to find the right date to lift restrictions.

In most places not New York, New Jersey, Detroit and Chicago,... they should probably be lifting now.

[Zacha341]

Yes, at the time it was anticipated that the numbers would by higher specifically for Detroit and Wayne County. And Detroiter's are still dying at very high rates - Numbering over 1,000. I wonder if the Suburban Collection Center will still be converted?

Decisions were/are still made with bad data, or with no data at all, that's the problem. The mortality rate turned out to be much lower than initially reported, by a factor of 10 at least. Same with the infection rate, which has settled below 1.0 [[I am referring to data from Germany, the only country who took data collection seriously since the beginning).

That's why imho the TCF center was setup initially and why it turned out to be completely unnecessary.

[DetroitSoldier]

At the time planning for the field hospital at TCF Center was going on, there was a very vocal concern among hospital administrators that they would be overwhelmed and needed relief. There was no clear idea about when numbers would plateau, let alone drop.

Had nothing been built and the hospital been needed, there would have been an outcry that not enough was done. I would rather we be over prepared and not need it, than be under prepared and have even more chaos.

It's easy to be an armchair quarterback sitting behind a keyboard. It's not easy to be a quarterback without a playbook for this kind of situation. I feel like our local, regional, and state officials did a respectable job forging partnerships and communicating plans to take care of as many patients as possible and protect the general population as much as possible. Was it perfect? No. Was it effective? absolutely.

[Zacha341]

Yep, well stated. Not perfect but as Italy was blowing up with deaths it was reasonable to set up the center. Some of the determined 'essentials' as put forth from the gov...? No garden product access? Well I questioned that.

But I will never now or historically compare/ depreciated COVID-19 to the standard flu. My eyes can't close that tightly. Not being a Detroiter. And not looking at how this virus took off so fast in other areas.

At the time planning for the field hospital at TCF Center was going on, there was a very vocal concern among hospital administrators that they would be overwhelmed and needed relief.

...I feel like our local, regional, and state officials did a respectable job forging partnerships and communicating plans to take care of as many patients as possible and protect the general population as much as possible. Was it perfect? No. Was it effective? absolutely.