Corona Virus Crisis Discussion Thread

[Maof]

Two doctors discussing the Covid data.

Chance of death is apparently 0.0003 based on the data, and 94% of those have co-morbiditys.

Censors keep taking it down though,.. so you may want to click on it fast. [[And no,.. It's not a Rick roll)

https://vimeo.com/412763813

There's a reason why the video was taken down. These guys own a chain of urgent care facilities in California, Erickson being a former emergency room physician. Neither are experts in epidemiology. The American College of Emergency Physicians and American Academy of Emergency Medicine put out a statement condemning their "opinions". The only ones praising them are Hannity, Ingram and Carlson.

[Bigdd]

There's a reason why the video was taken down. These guys own a chain of urgent care facilities in California, Erickson being a former emergency room physician. Neither are experts in epidemiology. The American College of Emergency Physicians and American Academy of Emergency Medicine put out a statement condemning their "opinions". The only ones praising them are Hannity, Ingram and Carlson.

Well, people need to decide for themselves whether to believe the data, or the media. These guys are discussing CDC data, and verified test results. The media wants you to ignore that,.... and the Stanford studies, and what the governor of New York says, and what virologists say, and instead, swallow what they're telling you verbatim.

I on the other hand believe people should hear both sides of an issue, and judge for themselves.

When the people on one side of an issue are allowed to erase apposing view-points,... that's when things actually start to get scary.

[Seven&wyo]

Well, people need to decide for themselves whether to believe the data, or the media. These guys are discussing CDC data, and verified test results. The media wants you to ignore that,.... and the Stanford studies, and what the governor of New York says, and what virologists say, and instead, swallow what they're telling you verbatim.

I on the other hand believe people should hear both sides of an issue, and judge for themselves.

When the people on one side of an issue are allowed to erase apposing view-points,... that's when things actually start to get scary.

Advice from a guy that said housewives know as much, if not MORE, than doctors on how to treat a virus

[softailrider]

There's a reason why the video was taken down. These guys own a chain of urgent care facilities in California, Erickson being a former emergency room physician. Neither are experts in epidemiology. The American College of Emergency Physicians and American Academy of Emergency Medicine put out a statement condemning their "opinions". The only ones praising them are Hannity, Ingram and Carlson.

I see interviews with people who are supposedly knowledge about this stuff, on both sides of the news [[FOX - CNN) these people are not experts on epidemiology. But they’re giving opinions and advice anyway.

[Bigdd]

Advice from a guy that said housewives know as much, if not MORE, than doctors on how to treat a virus

You are pro censorship I take it?

Hearing both sides of a debate and thinking for yourself is bad?

[Maof]

I see interviews with people who are supposedly knowledge about this stuff, on both sides of the news [[FOX - CNN) these people are not experts on epidemiology. But they’re giving opinions and advice anyway.

Key word - opinions.

[Seven&wyo]

You are pro censorship I take it?

Hearing both sides of a debate and thinking for yourself is bad?

Nope, just like pointing out you're a moron

[Bigdd]

Nope, just like pointing out you're a moron

Well, you're free to think that of course, BUT,.. for the handful of intelligent people in this thread,.. they just realized that you KNOW you're wrong.

You see, when someone "thinks" they're right,. they engage in debate to try to convince the other side. But, when someone KNOWS they're wrong,.. they avoid debate, and instead call names.

[Seven&wyo]

Well, you're free to think that of course, BUT,.. for the handful of intelligent people in this thread,.. they just realized that you KNOW you're wrong.

You see, when someone "thinks" they're right,. they engage in debate to try to convince the other side. But, when someone KNOWS they're wrong,.. they avoid debate, and instead call names.

Mhm....

[SammyS]

I like this guys reasoning and conclusion.
So where is the States limit on suspending the individuals Constitutional Rights?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO07dnw7Ung&feature=emb_title

[Honky Tonk]

Nope, just like pointing out you're a moron

Nothing like an intelligent reply.

[SammyS]

Great interview with many common sense points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl-sZdfLcEk

I'm totally with this guy. Enough is enough.

[Honky Tonk]

Two doctors discussing the Covid data.

Chance of death is apparently 0.0003 based on the data, and 94% of those have co-morbiditys.

Censors keep taking it down though,.. so you may want to click on it fast. [[And no,.. It's not a Rick roll)

https://vimeo.com/412763813

I watched the entire video. I don't think these guys are pulling things out of the air, they have facts and stats to back up their presentation. Two things that relate to me personally. I do need to see a doctor [[nothing serious) my doctor's office is in a major hospital, and because of the staff infection rates that have appeared lately, I'm delaying going in. The other thing that bothers me is the number of recent staff layoffs and terminations. Are area hospitals equipped to handle other emergency issues that arise, or are they just winging it and hoping for the best? Stories have surfaced where people were handed a couple of aspirins, told to go home, then died. I don't think the presentation is without merit.

[Meddle]

The other thing that bothers me is the number of recent staff layoffs and terminations. Are area hospitals equipped to handle other emergency issues that arise, ...

I keep wondering what might happen if something really important happens, a real emergency ... like an Earthquake. Much of populated Washington state is in volcanic or lahar zones. Airliner crash. Or maybe a bunch of morons in planes crashing into ....

Something where there is a sudden and immediate need to treat hundreds or more.

And we're entering Hurricane season, so where does a large population that is suddenly ordered to evacuate go?

[Ray1936]

Somehow, I think the whole thing is bullshit.

People are born, and people die. WTF, I'm 83 and dinner tonight might just be it for eternity. Don't bother me none. On the other hand, I might have a dozen years yet.

Of those who get the virus, the vast majority recover. Indeed, there are those who got it and had few, if any, symptoms.

To completely shut down an economy because one annual influenza virus is a little worse than others, well, that's nuts.

The way the nation is responding reminds me of Shakespeare, whom I love:

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.

Take your shots.

[Richard]

I keep wondering what might happen if something really important happens, a real emergency ... like an Earthquake. Much of populated Washington state is in volcanic or lahar zones. Airliner crash. Or maybe a bunch of morons in planes crashing into ....

Something where there is a sudden and immediate need to treat hundreds or more.

And we're entering Hurricane season, so where does a large population that is suddenly ordered to evacuate go?

Well,we are fixen to find out,most regular disaster states are geared towards that with EOCs that have plans A-B-C for pretty much every disaster that can pop up.

The virus is not related to the other disasters,so that system is not compromised.

Most of what you see displayed on tv is the worst of the worst,all that drama coming out of NYC actually was centered around a couple of state run hospitals,the private sector ones were stocked and staffed to deal with it.

As far as evacuation,two types of people,one type is always prepared for the worst case scenario while the other type runs out and buys toilet paper.As you have seen.

Once they have a projected path,you just go in the opposite direction,but the science is also the same as what is happening with the virus,all the experts predict but in the end it is up to Mother Nature what she decides.

I watch the sea turtles,for some reason they can sense the strength and landing path better then the humans,because they have thier babies,when they start moving them to higher ground in order to protect them,you know that is the spot.

People are still having babies,accidents are still happening etc so the trauma aspect is still intact.

[Bigdd]

The other thing that bothers me is the number of recent staff layoffs and terminations. Are area hospitals equipped to handle other emergency issues that arise, or are they just winging it and hoping for the best?

I was reading today hospital income is down 50% in most places [[not in NY of course). And private clinics are down close to 70%.


Nurses saying they were begged to work more, retired nurses asked to come back to work,.. people still in nursing school asked to come in to help,... and at the same time huge numbers of them were being laid off. The nurses are like "what the heck?"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...vC7h?ocid=iehp


It is thought now that many hospitals will go out of business entirely. And it's not just their patient levels being WAY down from normal, but the huge expense they incurred trying to convert large wings of their facilities to Covid / Ventilator wings.



So what DOES happen when this is lifted?,.. and most of us have compromised immune systems from quarantining for so long? A spike in virus and bacteria infections is likely. And if half the hospital / clinic capacity is gone,... what then? Or like you say,.. what happens in a natural disaster?

The sooner we ease the restrictions,. the healthier it will be.

[Bigdd]

Somehow, I think the whole thing is bullshit.

People are born, and people die. WTF, I'm 83 and dinner tonight might just be it for eternity. Don't bother me none. On the other hand, I might have a dozen years yet.

Of those who get the virus, the vast majority recover. Indeed, there are those who got it and had few, if any, symptoms.

To completely shut down an economy because one annual influenza virus is a little worse than others, well, that's nuts.

The way the nation is responding reminds me of Shakespeare, whom I love:

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.

Take your shots.

No shots Ray. You the man. [[From a different time, when people didn't walk around with no belt and their under-britches showing)

The Data seems to tell us that 80% have no symptoms at all.
Another 16% have mild symptoms [[like a mild to severe flu,.. but not needing hospitalization). And the remaining 4% going to a hospital.

This based on anti-body testing done in New York [[as mentioned by Gov Como last week),.. and the Stanford study 3 weeks ago,.. where they found dozens of times more people had anti-bodies than they were expecting to find [[on a descent sample size of 3,250 people).

My best guess is 22% - 30% of the nation has already had it.

My family all had it. And I have the paperwork to prove I did, both the positive test result, and a later neg one. I keep them on the front seat of my car. If there's an issue,.. I can show anyone with a concern. If I get pulled over for speeding,.. I'll just show the officer the first one through my rolled up window. Just kidding,... maybe.

[Meddle]

I'm just amazed at how gullible people have been to get brainwashed so deeply. 1,000 years from now, they'll still be studying the mass hysteria.

[jcole]

Please, if you happen to get infected, or one of you family does, feel free to refuse treatment and save a ventilator for someone who will appreciate living a bit longer.

Somehow, I think the whole thing is bullshit.

People are born, and people die. WTF, I'm 83 and dinner tonight might just be it for eternity. Don't bother me none. On the other hand, I might have a dozen years yet.

Of those who get the virus, the vast majority recover. Indeed, there are those who got it and had few, if any, symptoms.

To completely shut down an economy because one annual influenza virus is a little worse than others, well, that's nuts.

The way the nation is responding reminds me of Shakespeare, whom I love:

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.

Take your shots.

[Jimaz]

This captures how bizarre the current situation would have seemed to us only a few months ago.

Explaining the Pandemic to my Past Self

What would happen if I tried to explain what's happening now to the January 2020 version of myself?

[Richard]

Please, if you happen to get infected, or one of you family does, feel free to refuse treatment and save a ventilator for someone who will appreciate living a bit longer.

Actually they are saying by the time one goes on a ventilator it is to late anyways,so the point of “saving a ventilator” would be?

Besides haven’t you heard,there are plenty to go around,always has been.

[Zacha341]

With all due respect, it's time for someone to weigh in here from the Detroit perspective - live from the D - ground zero, day to day:

Detroiter's are DYING - with only a slight respite in the last 72 hours.

Having noted that, I'm not lock-step with the one-size fits all approach with regards to all states locked down - same level. Nope.

Nor do I agree with some of the restrictions, such as what is 'essential' vs. what is not [[like the inability to purchase gardening products etc. - sectioning off parts of stores). Some of that IS BS.

However, Detroit proper has been intensely affected by COVID-19. That is beyond dispute, WELL BEYOND BS, for we here at ground zero. We can hardly forget that reality beyond a day!

Many Detroiter's will have a different opinion in response to the narrative reality of over 1000+ deaths in six weeks.

We must. And not just a few of us DO.

We're dying in very high numbers from Coronavirus. Inarguably, well beyond the annual standard influenza run!

Ask the funeral directors if you don't believe what the medical community is saying. Or the families themselves.

Many Detroiter's now know someone who's been sick or succumbed to the virus. Some with only minor symptoms, or asymptomatic.

And, yet some being found dead in their homes, suffocated by their own fluid-filled lungs. We have not even been able to properly bury, or mourn our dead. The emotional impact as well as financial will be felt for many years.

If COVID-19 has not impacted your life personally, that's good. And from what I am learning it's a rough way to go, IF you don't get a mild case.

When I think to not take reasonably precautions, I remember those who could be impacted or infected, beyond my choice.

For those I'm communicating with, we're fighting to keep safe. Looking beyond how bad it is now. Working beyond partisan politricks, beyond fear, despair and other peoples agendas. That is part of the ULTIMATE DetroitYES! Attitude

Am I 'hysteric' about the high death and social, economic impact of COVID-19 on the city Detroit? No.

The experience of dealing with C-19 if not numbing at times, for certain allows little room for hysterics! But I do acknowledge the devastating impact this particular virus is having on the city. I'd have to be eyes wide shut not to.

'SOMEHOW' the nightly ambulances awaken me sometimes to the reality of COVID-19 upon Detroit.

I know we will come thru this, but for certain Detroiter's WILL CLEARLY know, looking back, that this was NOT just a slightly 'worse' influenza.

The legacy of broken and lost lives will remind us that is wasn't.

Somehow, I think the whole thing is bullshit.

People are born, and people die. WTF, I'm 83 and dinner tonight might just be it for eternity. Don't bother me none. On the other hand, I might have a dozen years yet.

Of those who get the virus, the vast majority recover. Indeed, there are those who got it and had few, if any, symptoms.

To completely shut down an economy because one annual influenza virus is a little worse than others, well, that's nuts.

The way the nation is responding reminds me of Shakespeare, whom I love:

A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.

Take your shots.

[Richard]

This is from February 2020

It's been overshadowed by the new coronavirus outbreak in China, but this year's flu season could be near its peak after surging throughout the United States for months.



At least 14,000 people have died and 250,000 have already been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to estimates from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. More than 26 million Americans have fallen ill with flu-like symptoms.



"There is a deadly respiratory virus that is circulating throughout the United States, and it is at its peak. It is not novel coronavirus," said Dr. Pritish Tosh, an infectious disease specialist with the Mayo Clinic, in Rochester, Minn.

"If they have a fever and respiratory illness, they should assume this is influenza unless they've had recent travel to China," Tosh said. "Although most people are going to be concerned about the novel coronavirus, the respiratory virus that's going to cause the most damage in the United States continues to be influenza."



https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...be-at-its-peak


Sooooo what experts were we supposed to pay attention to? That guy is an infectious disease specialist.Does that qualify him as an expert to be listened to?

For those unaware,Mayo Clinic is where Presidents and movie stars and wealthy people go when they get sick,you do not work there if you are not well qualified and top of your game.

When you have a full blown deadly flu season in force,then add on the corona virus and they both list the cause of death as respiratory failure.

If you are a hospital that services an under or non insured majority but will get paid in full if it is listed as a corona virus death,are you going to get paid or not?

What does Detroit,New Orleans and the epicenter in NYC have in common,an underinsured high risk base.

Who’s to know the actual cause of the respiratory failure without a 2nd party analysis ?

They had already predicted the 2019/2020 flu season as the worst on record with a second wave.

Where did the flu season go and all that It brings ? On vacation? It’s like it just disappeared.

During the flu season last year,hospitals were overwhelmed and were pitching tents for the overflow and renting refrigerator trucks in order to serve as body storage containers.

Sound familiar?

Yes people are dying,60,000 were expected to die this year alone from the flu,a majority in the areas most vulnerable as no different then in the past.

While we are on lockdown and destroying an entire economy ,while going trillions of dollars in debt, is not anybody at least a little curious as to what actually happened to the 60,000 deaths that just disappeared?

The predicted 2nd round of flu deaths is here,but it is not.

Lets be honest,we base our decisions on the information that we are fed,before we pass judgment on others,is it not better to really have a grasp of what is really going on and what exactly we are stopping the spread of.

The United States is pretty big but we are a mobile country,with something that spreads as rapidly as it does,does anybody really believe that it was contained just like that to a few hotspots,lock down or not this should have slammed every major city in the country,but it has not,it has followed the path of the flu though,with sporadic outbreaks.

Why is everybody so quick to come down on those who mention the flu and respond that it has no comparison,when it does.

Millions get infected by it
60,000 out of those die.
They die from respiratory failure.

It did not disappear into thin air,so as a rebuttal somebody needs to say where it went.

When looking at the following,where exactly does the hospitals find the time and space to deal with the corona virus?

Do they not tell us that they are over capacity,bursting to the seams and overwhelmed on a daily basis?

CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there have been:


39,000,000 – 56,000,000
flu illnesses


18,000,000 – 26,000,000
flu medical visits


410,000 – 740,000
flu hospitalizations


24,000 – 62,000
flu deaths


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

[Meddle]

We're dying in very high numbers from Coronavirus.

We don't know that for sure since there is no comprehensive testing either pre or post mortem.

'SOMEHOW' the nightly ambulances awaken me sometimes to the reality of COVID-19 upon Detroit.

And those medics might not be carrying victims of accidents, shootings, stabbings, assaults ... ????