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**Dan Wesson** · May-01-20, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

You need to learn the difference between an opinion piece based on fact. And you need to actually READ what you link to, which far from discredits Christine Blasey Ford, it actually supports her claims - and shows her conduct to be EXACTLY the opposite of Reade's.

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And no it wasnt meant to discredit Christine, just to show that the author has a bias.

That and nothing more.

Hat tip to Zacha for the meme...

Flail away cause:

**Jimaz** · April-30-20, 08:36 AM

Trump erupts at campaign manager as reelection stress overflows

**Dan Wesson** · May-01-20, 09:50 PM

I have this feeling you and I have been thru this before with the same results.

Deja Vu

Carry on

**Maof** · May-06-20, 10:26 AM

I's bad enough he doesn't lead by example by not wearing a mask but, why the choice of music or playing music at all.

https://youtu.be/KzRhcjOG1es

**Richard** · May-06-20, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

I's bad enough he doesn't lead by example by not wearing a mask but, why the choice of music or playing music at all.

https://youtu.be/KzRhcjOG1es

I have not stopped working sense this started,have not even bought a mask,I have been a very bad person,and yet I still cannot find somebody to give me a spanking for bad behavior,dispite the atrocities I have committed by not wearing a mask.

Probably 20% at best I see in public are wearing masks,some even driving in cars by themselves are wearing masks.

Bet cha nobody wears a mask during flu season which killed 60,000 this year and 80,000 last but did not really,nobody was concerned or cared about preventing that spread.

But now all of the sudden are,because they said so.

What is really interesting is when you see the video of the police breaking up the open back up protesting around the world,they are not wearing masks.

The Governor in Naples Italy said,If I see graduation crowds forming we will break them up with flame throwers.

A pizza shop in Naples Italy that has been in the same location for 150 years and currently owned by the same family for 5 generations,has listed now as the only time in history that they have shut the doors,even bombs in WW2 did not stop them.

I am a hypocrite though because if I did not care about stopping the spread of the flu,why should I care about wearing a mask now?

The irony is so thick you could build an entire fleet of dreadnaught ships and still have enough left over for a back yard swing set.

**rb336** · May-06-20, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

The Governor in Naples Italy said,If I see graduation crowds forming we will break them up with flame throwers.

Naples does not have a governor. Campania, the region of Italy Naples is in, has a President. No governors to be seen.

**Richard** · May-06-20, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

Naples does not have a governor. Campania, the region of Italy Naples is in, has a President. No governors to be seen.

Yea I did not feel it was necessary to educate the group on the governmental power structure of Italy,I figured it would have been a little anal retentive.

No problem with a government threatening to disperse a graduation party with a flame thrower,just make sure everything is spelled correctly and it matters if it is a governor or a president.

Even more so when coming from a country with a history of fascism,I bet they are delighted that they have supporters to the cause in the US.

**Zacha341** · May-06-20, 10:55 AM

Yep. They should have all been masked. Goodness! 007 Music funny...

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**Maof** · May-06-20, 07:53 PM

Let not compare Covid to the flu ok? The number of deaths from covid has exceeded the number of deaths from the flu. There is no vaccine for covid. In my neck of the woods, everyone is wearing a mask. If I remember correctly, you had a heart issue recently? You, of all people, should be wearing one but, that's your choice, selfish as it is.

**Richard** · May-06-20, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maof

Let not compare Covid to the flu ok? The number of deaths from covid has exceeded the number of deaths from the flu. There is no vaccine for covid. In my neck of the woods, everyone is wearing a mask. If I remember correctly, you had a heart issue recently? You, of all people, should be wearing one but, that's your choice, selfish as it is.

Its called,calculated risk assessment.

Did you know the daily Covid 19 fatalities that are reported every day are not actually pertaining to that day.

The Covid19 numbers are imputed into the system manually and it takes the minimum of 7 days for them to display.

The total displayed today is actually deaths that occurred 7 to 14 days ago.

We will not even know if the “curve is flattening” until 14 days after it already has.

Here is some reading,notice the headings that list Covid deaths and other deaths,anybody wanna do the math on that?

There is a massive amount of space in between Covid deaths verses everyday deaths,what is the percentage?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/

If you notice in that link they are finally disclosing where the flu went,it appears it was still the leading cause of death with higher numbers then Covid,so yea it is comparable.

It a 14 day incubation period,if the country did not decrease the spread in the start of the lock down period it’s not about to start now.

I have admitted I am horrible in math,well anything over 10 anyways,but in order to measure something,do you not have to start with a fixed point?

Where is ours?

Public shaming is so nostalgic,it brings us right back to the witch burning days.

Michigan

Covid19 deaths 2,238

Total deaths from all causes 29,029

Pneumonia deaths 2,973

As it stands today more have passed from Pneumonia then Covid19.

**Zacha341** · May-07-20, 07:31 AM

Interestingly, Moaf, now there's talk of a second wave, and yet the debate that C-19 is merely the annual flu persists. SMH...

The quick-onset and high incidences of death in certain areas [[for example 1000+ in Detroit in 45+ Days) sets COVID-19 apart from the seasonal flu. I don't need president Trump, et al to affirm, or confirm the impact and distinction of C-19 [[and risk factors therein) for me or my family, my city, my community.

Even factoring in that 10% of Detroit's deaths weren't C-19, the number has been devastating beyond previous flu seasons. Yet that information is interpreted differently, by individuals and law makers alike across the nation. And so it goes...

But, the victory over C-19 will NOT be found in holding a FIXED un-mutable position as to its outworking and consequence.

We know many Detroiter's have died but the numbers have also dropped. Thus, ADAPTING our understanding, as to how it might shift and change is crucial.

This includes areas nationwide were outbreak area, may start to see higher numbers.

I get that politics and priorities are local. Responses for COVID-19 cannot be one-size-fits all. People will respond to and feel about it per who/ or if it's has touched their lives. And NO, I don't agree with the 'snitchin' NYC's governance justified upon people against each other - big brother. Which will probably only increase their C-19 infections - shame on them.

That is not the America I want live in [[pre-or post COVID-19).

You can't make people comply, they will do just the opposite. Reflexively. Unless you have a totalitarian state such as in China. It is my hope that more people see the benefit of masking on their own terms. I did mid-March [[I started to wear mask then).

We see that some on the right and the left of the COVID-19 pandemic want to shame, force, mandate, intimidate etc. For example, open up the states full-out vs. reporting on any one not wearing a mask to the 'authorities'!

For example, if we have employers FORCING people to work, say for a company with a low-risk perspective [[no or low PPE options) re. the virus [[forcing you to sign forms protecting the company to that end).

Is that victory over the shaming option?

Nope. Neither will help this country rebound financial or socially.

Sadly, this is a virus that some get despite best efforts seemingly and other don't walking about un-masked, up close with other.

That un-predictability factor itself of COVID-19 speaks to why we cannot be too modest in understanding, and again ADAPTING our understanding, as to how it might shift and change.

Especially if we see short waves of the virus, up and down thru the calendar year. Again unlike the seasonal flu.

For short-term, as we watch the trajectory of C-19, I think the response for a while, beyond the debates must be individual as much a possible will be to avoid personal risks as one can. That might be included for the short-term avoiding visiting other states which may or may not factoring in COVID-19 to the same level as others.

Employment options will have to change. As some jobs may remain high risk.

Again politics and priorities tend to be local, and ones concern for their own health may increasingly have to be personal, which means alot less socialization, as a personal decision. Again, we must remain adaptable in our understanding, considering COVID-19 is not as stable as our narratives would desire.

I will choose to wear a mask, for a while yet.

Originally Posted by Maof

Let not compare Covid to the flu ok? The number of deaths from covid has exceeded the number of deaths from the flu. There is no vaccine for covid. In my neck of the woods, everyone is wearing a mask. If I remember correctly, you had a heart issue recently? You, of all people, should be wearing one but, that's your choice, selfish as it is.

**Richard** · May-07-20, 09:28 AM

The president vetoed a resolution put forth by the House that eliminated any further military action and remove US troops engaged In military actions in Iran unless Congress declared war or authorized the use of military force.

Interesting how they had no problem with the previous administration that engaged in military action and started 3 “wars”.

Any president has power to act immediately military wise if there is a immediate threat against the security and safety of the United States.

There was a reason the founding fathers created a system of separation in between the powers of government so no one can have to much power,for some reason the Dems want to continue to test that system and push it in their favor.

So If intelligence comes across information that Iran based terrorists are planning an attack on US soil in two days,according to what was put forth by the house,the president would have to spend a week or two waiting for the house to approve action in order to prevent it.

**rb336** · May-07-20, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

Interesting how they had no problem with the previous administration that engaged in military action and started 3 “wars”.

What wars, exactly, did the Obama administration start?

**oladub** · May-07-20, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by rb336

What wars, exactly, did the Obama administration start?

Two-

Obama bombed the capital of Libya and otherwise helped overthrow Khaddafi. If someone bombed our capital, we would consider it an act of war.

The Obama administration knew ISIS "to be growing in Syria but did nothing to stop or oppose it because the U.S. wanted to use it as a bargaining chip in order to make the secular, democratically elected President, Bashar al-Assad “negotiate,” which, of course, simply means stepping down and allowing a proxy president and Western-backed terror coalition to take his place." This effort to overthrow Assad was so sloppy that a CIA funded rebel group fought a Pentagon funded rebel group. Other friendly rebels sold and handed over their U.S. provided weapons to ISIS.

It is difficult to imagine anything more craven and cynical than allowing ISIS to burn girls' schools, cut parts off of living people, drown, burn, and otherwise torture people in the hope of overthrowing Assad. Yet, this was Obama foreign policy. The attempt to overthrow Assad with proxies failed and resulted in Assad asking Russia to come to his aid. It also was an act of war.

These two Obama foreign policy catastrophes resulted in hundreds of thousands of Arab deaths [[dead 'brown people' in identity politics lingo), millions of refugees, and widespread destruction. Europe has been destabilized by the refugees. Russia put bases in Syria. Libya was turned from one of the most affluent Arab countries into something like Somalia. No wonder Joe Biden was happy to have Obama's endorsement.

**Richard** · May-07-20, 09:12 PM

U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

His legacy got crushed like a bug,like it should have been

Obama considers his diplomatic achievements — particularly the nuclear deal with Iran, the Paris agreement to fight climate change and a restoration of diplomatic relations with Cuba — to be his primary foreign policy legacy.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...-obama-at-war/

I picked a nice liberal site just for rb .

**rb336** · May-08-20, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

His legacy got crushed like a bug,like it should have been

Obama considers his diplomatic achievements — particularly the nuclear deal with Iran, the Paris agreement to fight climate change and a restoration of diplomatic relations with Cuba — to be his primary foreign policy legacy.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...-obama-at-war/

I picked a nice liberal site just for rb .

And...which of those did he start? Oh, right. NONE OF THEM. Per the source YOU used:

"Obama slashed the number of U.S. troops in war zones from 150,000 to 14,000, and stopped the flow of American soldiers coming home in body bags. He also used diplomacy, not war, to defuse a tense nuclear standoff with Iran."

And that raid in Pakistan? Two words: Bin Laden

**Richard** · May-08-20, 11:52 AM

^ did you read the whole link or just pick the parts out you liked?

How did Obama reduce the number of troops without decreasing the amount of conflicts ?

He changed the face of warfare with technology,you can now sit in Tampa and launch missiles from drones in the Middle East without troops on the ground.

He never defused the nuclear stand off in Iran,nobody will ever do that without removing the nuclear capability of its neighbors,Iran is no different then any other country when it comes to the use of nukes as a deterrent.

They have the same rights as every other country to use nukes as a deterrent,they just have proven in the past that they like to pass that capability on to whoever else wants to have them that should not.

Iran has proven not to be a responsible nuke holder,Obama did nothing to change that just as nobody else can.

That was the whole point of getting out of the dumb ass treaty he signed where we have to comply but they are exempt.

**oladub** · May-08-20, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

^

Iran has proven not to be a responsible nuke holder,Obama did nothing to change that just as nobody else can.

That was the whole point of getting out of the dumb ass treaty he signed where we have to comply but they are exempt.

I'm more sympathetic with Obama's intent to work out some sort of a diplomatic deal with Iran. However, it was just an Obama 'deal' rather than a 'treaty' which the Senate would have had to ratify with a 2/3 majority. It didn't. Same with the Paris Accord.

**Zacha341** · May-10-20, 02:53 AM

Trumps digging a hole to jump into AGAIN!

Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine'

How knows this how [[his medical team is not saying that)? Again, so careless, unnecessary, and rash.

Who would make such firm predictions about a virus considering the unpredictable nature of such?

**Maof** · May-10-20, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Trumps digging a hole to jump into AGAIN!

Trump says coronavirus will 'go away without a vaccine'

How knows this how [[his medical team are not saying that)? Again, so careless, unnecessary, and rash.

Who would make such firm predictions about a virus considering the unpredictable nature of such?

Someone needs to muzzle him.

**Dan Wesson** · May-10-20, 06:24 AM

There was no vaccine for Sars or Mers. Will there be one for the new coronavirus?

**Zacha341** · May-10-20, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dan Wesson

There was no vaccine for Sars or Mers. Will there be one for the new coronavirus?

That SCMP article [[written 2/22/20) serves in a way as a backdrop to where we are now [[wide-spread incidences of the virus in need of a unlikely to find vaccine), and very unlikely to 'disappear' as the POTUS also unwisely stated...

From article:

“However, given the number of people already infected and the spread of the current outbreak, it seems to me unlikely that it will be brought to a rapid end, particularly if it spreads to countries with less well developed public health systems.”

Other experts agreed.

Adalja said: “The novel virus is spreading efficiently in communities – something Sars could never do. This will not disappear and there will be a continued push for a vaccine for some time.”

Florian Krammer, a professor of microbiology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who specialises in virology and vaccine development, said the coronavirus would probably last for several winters.

“Everybody is hoping that this can still be controlled, but the realistic chance that it can be controlled is low. So then what is going to happen is that this is going to spread worldwide, ” he said.

“If it does you might have an initial pandemic wave, but not everybody is getting infected and nobody has immunity, so it might be that this virus stays in the community and comes back in the northern hemisphere for the next few winters.”

**Dan Wesson** · May-10-20, 07:41 AM

Could "Go away" mean diminish? How about go away by means of herd immunity or over a period of time.

It's true Trump should just shut up and let others take the flak.

But he really isn't saying nothing new it's just there are folk who don't like hearing what they consider bad news as well as folk who consider Trump himself as bad news.

I ain't defending Trump either. It's just this whole thing is a shitty situation for everyone 'cepting those who are gonna make fortunes off of this dis-ease.

**Zacha341** · May-10-20, 07:55 AM

^^^ I hear you, I'm not part of the Trump-the-epitome-off-all-things-evil crowd. But he is so careless in his speaking. Bottom-line: stop with the impetuous, heedless comments. If the word diminish should be used, why say 'Go away'? He does this again and again as permanent quotables.

And then he doubles-down worse when questioned. SMH....... whatever.

I equally spoke out when former president Obama made his famous 'If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor...' statement. I knew he'd pulled out a big hole-digging shovel the minute he said that!

**Dan Wesson** · May-10-20, 08:11 AM

Our reality is what we perceive or in some peoples case our reality is what we hallucinate.

Everything outward is deciphered by the inward. What's between your ears is the master of our universe, spiritually for sure. Physically is a different story.