Avenue of Fashion

[Towne Cluber]

I would definitely disagree. Neighborhoods west of Livernois, are, generally speaking, awful. Tons of abandonment, extremely low property values, extremely high crime.

Not sure what U of D high has to do with anything. You can have a good school within a bad neighborhood. Cass was in the middle of skid row for a half century.

You’re definitely wrong yet again. The neighborhoods to the west of the Avenue of Fashion section of Livernois definitely aren’t “horrible”.

[MrMichigan]

Yeah, that West of Livernois comment was way off-base.

[Bham1982]

You’re definitely wrong yet again. The neighborhoods to the west of the Avenue of Fashion section of Livernois definitely aren’t “horrible”.

No, they're horrible. Only a kool-aid drinking starry-eyed Detroit cultist would claim that bombed-out ghettohoods with super high crime and super low property values are something other than horrible.

Take a Streetview tour. Does this look like a desirable neighborhood?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-83.1420331

Once again, someone posts a question on DYes, the [[very blindingly obvious) answer is given and all the sycophants rush in with their propaganda.

I have no doubt that the vast majority of neighborhood residents are good, hard-working folks, and there are undoubtedly many neighborhood organizations doing good work, but we all know these neighborhoods are extremely undesirable. Take a look at recorded sales prices. One side of Livernois is beautiful and the other side is basically Harper-Van Dyke.

[Towne Cluber]

No, they're horrible. Only a kool-aid drinking starry-eyed Detroit cultist would claim that bombed-out ghettohoods with super high crime and super low property values are something other than horrible.

Take a Streetview tour. Does this look like a desirable neighborhood?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-83.1420331

Once again, someone posts a question on DYes, the [[very blindingly obvious) answer is given and all the sycophants rush in with their propaganda.

I have no doubt that the vast majority of neighborhood residents are good, hard-working folks, and there are undoubtedly many neighborhood organizations doing good work, but we all know these neighborhoods are extremely undesirable. Take a look at recorded sales prices. One side of Livernois is beautiful and the other side is basically Harper-Van Dyke.

Once again, you see a post on here as an opportunity to take a pot shot at an area because it’s not your own. Whether it’s Detroit, Downriver, Macomb, or Bloomfield Township...if it’s not Birmingham, there’s always some kind of outright negative and/or backhanded comment. Again, funny how the vast majority of other people from Birmingham aren’t anything like you.

You’re somewhat of a psychopath but you’re interesting nonetheless. Your need for exaggeration, arrogance, and inaccuracy is truly fascinating.

The immediate west of the “Avenue of Fashion” area of Livernois is nothing like Harper-Van Dyke. Only someone that is lying and/or has no idea what he’s talking about would make such an outlandish claim.

Again, that western area is the neighborhood of the University of Detroit Jesuit. Are you really claiming that their large number of students from Birmingham and the suburban Woodward corridor are going to school in an area comparable to the of lower east side and Southeastern HS? Seriously?

[313WX]

Take a Streetview tour. Does this look like a desirable neighborhood?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-83.1420331...

According to the official website for the Avenue of Fashion, it only stretches along Livernois from 7 Mile to 8 Mile.

http://www.avenueoffashion.com/faq.html

That image you posted is not one of Santa Rosa Dr. between 7 Mile and 8 Mile.

[gpp1004]

According to the official website for the Avenue of Fashion, it only stretches along Livernois from 7 Mile to 8 Mile.

http://www.avenueoffashion.com/faq.html

That image you posted is not one of Santa Rosa Dr. between 7 Mile and 8 Mile.

While it is certainly cherry-picked to prove a point, it does look like it is Santa Rosa, just south of 8 Mile.

[313WX]

While it is certainly cherry-picked to prove a point, it does look like it is Santa Rosa, just south of 8 Mile.

Definitely cherry-picked.

[Towne Cluber]

While it is certainly cherry-picked to prove a point, it does look like it is Santa Rosa, just south of 8 Mile.

Except it doesn’t prove his point at all, which makes the claim even stranger. “Bombed out ghetto” yet there aren’t any abandoned homes, burned down homes, empty lots with debris, abandoned cars, garbage, etc. Just a non-descript working class street with reasonably maintained lawns and homes. There are many neighborhoods exactly like it in the city and suburbs alike. He tried to pick perhaps the worst looking street in that area and it still didn’t work.

[canuck]

Except it doesn’t prove his point at all, which makes the claim even stranger. “Bombed out ghetto” yet there aren’t any abandoned homes, burned down homes, empty lots with debris, abandoned cars, garbage, etc. Just a non-descript working class street with reasonably maintained lawns and homes. There are many neighborhoods exactly like it in the city and suburbs alike. He tried to pick perhaps the worst looking street in that area and it still didn’t work.

Well yes, I was expecting bham to put up an altogether less savory reference photo. That street looked fine, not a a Robinwood setting, for sure. A lot of streets in Montreal are a lot rougher looking, and yet not ghetto. Of course, a lot of neighborhoods in Detroit may put up a nice front and yet have a lil' red ridin' hood tag of disapproval on them.

That street looked pretty well tended to me.

[Bham1982]

That street looked fine, not a a Robinwood setting, for sure.

Robinwood is an empty street and therefore much safer. You need people to have crime. The highest crime neighborhoods in Detroit are occupied.

A lot of streets in Montreal are a lot rougher looking, and yet not ghetto.

There is no Montreal neighborhood remotely as rough, obviously. Montreal has like 5% of the violent crime rate of Detroit and no real concentrations of disorder. Detroit undoubtedly has bigger homes/lots, as it was historically a much richer, sprawlier city.

Of course, a lot of neighborhoods in Detroit may put up a nice front and yet have a lil' red ridin' hood tag of disapproval on them.

That street looked pretty well tended to me.

I don't see what you find "nice" or "well tended" about tumbledown shotgun homes, overgrown grass and vacant/abandoned lots. But, in any case, NW Detroit is also full of solid brick home neighborhoods much nicer-looking than this one, yet still absolutely awful.

This neighborhood of brick homes built for the upper middle class sits a half-mile west of Livernois, yet homes are being shot up:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...me/2415887002/

Here's the neighborhood:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4373...7i16384!8i8192

If these homes were 2-3 miles north, in Pleasant Ridge or Huntington Woods, they'd be worth at least 400k. In Toronto, off Yonge, they'd be around $1 million. Looking at Zillow they go for about 30k, or about the same as a Subaru Outback.

Spacious brick single family homes in the middle of a major metro area in the richest country on the planet don't go for 30k unless there are serious issues.

And here's a citywide crime map. Note that Livernois is a big dividing line:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits...ime-in-detroit