Quote Originally Posted by hybridy View Post
i'm not so much interested in already thriving areas, downtown grosse pointe/royal oak or partridge creek mall either-but interested in the potential of other recent attempts/examples:
What, since when did Partridge Creek become a thriving downtown? It's still a mall surrounded by a parking lot. Whether or not it's outside, it's not urban. Birmingham is a thriving downtown, which is why I don't understand you placed under "potential or other recent attempts/examples", when it's been that way.