Should undocumented [[illegal) immigrants have drivers license privilege?

[Richard]

Why can't the Federal or State gov't issue an id with a number/stamp that allows undocumented individuals to identify themselves? It's then up to Federal, State and Local gov'ts to decide what these individuals will be allowed to obtain with it. The number would be identifiable on the Driver's License, etc. I really don't see the issue.

The Obama administration did under the DACA program,you got a SS number for work,ID etc. with the understanding that they would follow the path to citizenship.Not many did.

It was a temporary program put in place in order to kick the can down the road without actually doing anything.

The program expired.

He did it by useing executive order because if the federal government deems somebody in the country as illegals they cannot very well be providing assistance to them,they would be breaking the very laws that they are tasked to enforce.

Illegals are wary about being placed on federal lists and the states that have allowed illegals to obtain identification have given them thier word that they will not provide those lists to the federal government.

The use of the term undocumented came about with DACA or the children brought into this country illegally by thier parents.

It was an attempt to separate those here illegally,their parents and ones that overstayed thier visas or snuck across the border from the ones viewed as they did not have a choice as a child when they were brought here.

But most kicked the can down the road after being presented with a kick the can down the road program ,and here we are.

Before 9-11 an illegal could get drivers license,bank accounts with no SS number a job etc and have all the perks of a citizen,so there was no incentive to actually become a citizen,why buy the cow when you can have the milk for free.

Every President elect and senate elect and congress elect in the past campaigned on illegal immigration and the deportations but once they get into office they quickly forget about the mission they promised.

Sense the 1920s green card holders with felonies and illegals with felonies were always the priority for mass deportations,they have limited resources to deport but unlimited resources to support the illegals.

Most of the states that issued ID cards caught flak/law suits from the immigration groups because they used to supply ID that was special marked to identify the status was illegal.

They used the reference of Hitler marking the Jews for easy reference.

So most states just provide a drivers license like everybody else has,they still put restrictions on them but if the little bar code reader is passed over a magnet or becomes defective it becomes a null point.

The easiest/cheaper route would be to secure the border and offer a path to citizenship then deport those who do not wish to take advantage of.

Every politician on both sides in the past has campaigned on that very route but never did it,the current president campaigned on the same thing and was the only one to actually start doing it,and was called a racist.

So now no need to worry about drivers license,round them all up and deport them useing the current laws on the books and then start over with a proper system.

The problem is most of those illegals are not highly educated and work experienced,so you get a flood of that category and it does drive down wages for the under employed.

We have quotas for every country based on skill levels,and non skilled,so we can manage and keep up with the flow,but it appears not to be working.

[401don]

The easiest/cheaper route would be to secure the border and offer a path to citizenship then deport those who do not wish to take advantage of.

Thanks for the detailed response. This seems like the logical solution so of course it will never happen.

[archfan]

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The easiest/cheaper route would be to secure the border and offer a path to citizenship then deport those who do not wish to take advantage of.
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I agree with you. It would be nice if Congress and the executive branch could agree on that.

[Richard]

I agree with you. It would be nice if Congress and the executive branch could agree on that.

It appears that it is more profitable not to solve the situation.

DACA was set to expire with no renewal.

Current President offers 1.8 million DACA with a path but they had to go to the end of the line.

In exchange for building a wall that is needed to secure the border.

He really should not have had to offer anything,it was not required,what is required is it is the federal governments responsibility to secure our borders.

He did a compromise that was not exceptable to others,his moment of weakness.He can just transfer the federal funds that is transferred to the cities and states use to offset the costs of illegal immigration.

The previous president used cutting off federal HUD funds to cities that did not implement the mixed neighborhoods initiative,nobody had an issue with that so it is a plausible method.

If a drug gang comes across the border and shoots up a shopping mall guaranteed the cry would be to build a wall,but most of the population that does not live in high immigration states are not really effected by what is going on,outside of paying for it,so they do not see a need to change something that does not effect them,until it does.

The driving down of the wages only really effects the African American community and the poorest,so that part does not matter and it gives the politicians a look of being the savior when they offer $15 per hour and save the day.

[archfan]

It appears that it is more profitable not to solve the situation.
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I think some folks find it more politically profitable to have a bad hombre to point to, than to solve the problem.

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He did a compromise that was not exceptable to others,his moment of weakness.
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It takes a really poor negotiator to not get a bill through when you control both houses of Congress.

[Richard]

I think some folks find it more politically profitable to have a bad hombre to point to, than to solve the problem.



It takes a really poor negotiator to not get a bill through when you control both houses of Congress.

So go buy a dozen roses for MS13 and give them a big kiss while you are handing them over,let us know how it worked out,not that you will be able to.

Anybody with a thimble full of common sense knew exactly who he was referring to,but it is abundantly made clear on an hourly basis that common sense no longer exists for some.

Being a poor negotiator has noting to do with it,every politician for the last 50 years,Democrats and Republicans has the exact same speech in thier campaign,verbatim.

It is on u tube going all the way back to Kennedy.

You are lying to yourself if you can honestly say he has not tried to do everything in his power outside of dictatorship in order to secure the border.

But the left would have you believe that the United States President is the almighty one power in control of everything.

How about past president Obama,all of his skills and popularity,what exactly did he accomplish?

Started out by throwing everybody in the streets so they could land cushy jobs with big banks,handles international diplomacy with bags of your cash,kicks the can down the road with DACA by offering false hope,or maybe it was already planned to have Hillary as his replacement and she would have been the nice lady and kicked the can further down the road.

He was a hero of hope and change,no hope and no change and millions left by the wayside sleeping in the streets.

And Your offend by the words of Bad Hombre?

It does not matter anyways,nobody wants a secure border or a solution to immigration,not the politicians nor the citizens that are forced to pay for it.

It just looks Kinda funny when people whine about homelessness,healthcare,skills training,infrastructure,mass transit,rebuilding inner cities and on and on when they do not have a problem spending billions to care for everybody but thier own fellow Americans.

Thats why they will never pass a healthcare for all scheme,we like to spend money on things that make us feel good verses spending money on things that makes us better.

[Wesley Mouch]

Of course the 'undocumented' should be required to have a drivers license and insurance.

The only reason this is controversial is that we use state driver's licenses as a proxy for legal status. The real debate is whether we should document the undocumented.

Unconsidered here is the effect on the term 'undocumented immigrant'. If an irregular immigrant is given a document, a new term will have to be created. I proposed 'driving alien'.