I tend to agree with you. The Illitches have no doubt manipulated and taken advantage of tax incentives [[ as many have ) for their more than profitable adventures, but have developed some very impressive facilities. They are business people, not a total charity, what does one expect. However, so many on here seem to have no idea what the city would be like without them. I remember living here in 1984, [[still do 35 years later, I can certify I have lived downtown through it all ) and the city was a disaster , and nobody would even look at the city, Illitch started with the Fox theater development , renovated and restored beautifully a dilapidated and water destroyed theater that finally, brought solid world class entertainement back downtown, did several other projects, waffled on several other projects, and overall was the catalyst that started any sort of rebirth that took 15 to 20 years to develop. He also built the Red Wings up, from a team of mediocre talent, to a dynasty, which not only brought a sense of pride to Detroit, as Hockeytown, but brought millions and millions of dollars into the area for the city, for himself, and for numerous other restaurants and businesses that otherwise would have collapsed. No one seems to remember there was huge pressure to move the Red Wings to the Novi area much earlier, but Illitch insisted he wanted them downtown. His families casino involvement is a big success for Detroit as well as himself, he insisted on building Comerica Park and staying downtown, so Detroit could compete with a state of the art ballpark with the other wealthier cities. I can never get over how so many on here seem to have absolutely no concept of that, it’s no secret the Illitches like to promise big developments, and the final product is never totally what they propose, but they have built some pretty dam nice facilities in town, just look at LCA. I would much rather have the new arena built , then worry about the fact that they haven’t built a couple blocks of townhouse and some retail development around it yet. The Illitches have made decisions that obviously will benefit themselves, but have most definitely benefited Detroit in a big way.The pluses, far outweigh the negatives on their projects Overall, without them, there would have been zero catalyst for development, I often doubt that even Gilbert would have cared less had it not been for the Ilitch, Penske, and Karmanos teams trying to turn Detroit around. Gilbert himself, has stated many times, that he wanted to build up upon what these individuals have done in the city, and how important every one of their non-stop investments and their loyalty to Detroit impressed him. Every one of them could have taken their material dollars to the suburbs or to another city very easily, there was always a lot of alternatives and they always picked downtown Detroit.No one else stepped up to the plate except these guys. Lets see who else comes in and duplicates or betters these accomplishments. It never hurts to acknowledge accomplishments instead of constantly looking for negatives.