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    All of these social know-it-alls blame the downfall of Detroit on segregation, middle class white flight, suburban development, slum clearance of Black bottom and Paradise Valley, demarcation, restrictive covenants, urban disinvestment, race riots of 1943 and rebellious riots of 1967, real estate racial urban steering, poor police protection, poor Detroit Public School system, insurance red-lining, the election of Coleman A. Young and his racial comments, collapse of the automobile industry to foriegn autobile companies, more violent crime, fast growing black communities from the River to 8 Mile Rd. since 1975, corrupt city government after mayor Pingree left office, Kwame Kilpatrick's Manoogian Parties. And to close the coffin over 200,000 middle income black families left. What's left in Detroit, today:

    1. Over 50,000 or more vacant lots.

    2. Over 200,000 vacant and abandon buildings.

    3. Over 590,000 black Detroiters are stuck in their crime laden ghettohoods.

    4. The rest of the white ethnic folks are trying their best to survive in the Detroit's ghettoes.

    5. The city is dead flat broke and Lansing is about to kick Detroit city government out of handling money issues by sending an emergency manager dictator or a consent financial team.

    Living in Detroit in 2010 is like living the South Bronx or across north of 110th Street to the dangerous streets of Harlem of 1960s to 1980s. The suburbs trying to ignore Detroit's cries for help, but some of the suburbanites would have to chip in to keep Detroiters for making a ruckus when the passiing north of 8 Mile Rd. or west of Five Points St. Detroit is a doom and gloom phase and its going to take either government or its people to clean up over 100 years of mess.


    WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

    R.I.P. White Detroit b.1701 d.1974

    R.I.P. Black Detroit b.1975 d.2012

    Will the Mexicans/Hispanic take over Detroit? I can see that coming by the year 2066.

    For the 99 Percenters and Spirit of Guy Fawkes, I miss you so, Neda.

    For Trayvon Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    ... The suburbs trying to ignore Detroit's cries for help...

    For Trayvon Martin.
    What 'cries for help'? I can't think of any requests for assistance. Gov. Snyder is sending help. He doesn't seem to be receiving a welcome wagon.

    For even-handed justice for both Martin and Zimmerman -- based on truth.
    Last edited by Wesley Mouch; April-03-12 at 11:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch View Post
    What 'cries for help'? I can't think of any requests for assistance. Gov. Snyder is sending help. He doesn't seem to be receiving a welcome wagon.

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    Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 313hero View Post
    Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?
    They make massive cuts and balance budgets. The goal isn't to improve service, but to balance the budget and provide services more efficiently.

    They "help" balance the budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 48091 View Post
    They make massive cuts and balance budgets. The goal isn't to improve service, but to balance the budget and provide services more efficiently.

    They "help" balance the budget.
    Which is why I don't understand the animosity directed at people who know their services will be cut, and who are upset in public meetings. Some of the people on this board must think that an EFM would shit rainbows. Like I said in another thread- riots are par for the course in Europe when stuff like this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j to the jeremy View Post
    Which is why I don't understand the animosity directed at people who know their services will be cut, and who are upset in public meetings. Some of the people on this board must think that an EFM would shit rainbows. Like I said in another thread- riots are par for the course in Europe when stuff like this happens.
    Well, the animosity isn't because they're upset. The animosity is what they claim to be upset about. Of all the reactions one could have to being given the news, do you really think that claiming racism and making Hitler and Mussolini comparisons are really accurate? Or effective?

    I don't think and EFM will shit rainbows. In fact, I -- and many -- people already know that it will be painful. We just see the alternative as even MORE painful. I read an article [[will have to find it) citing municipal bankruptcy as taking 4-5 years and $100MM in legal fees.

    So, those are our two choices.

    It's hard to sympathize with someone who is hurting when they're simultaneously verbally attacking and lashing out at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 313hero View Post
    Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?
    You need to get over the word help.
    An EMF or a Consent Agreement or Bankruptcy, are not intended help in the context you are wishing for.
    The intent will be to stop the bleeding. This may "help" but it is going to hurt some too. This is not going to fix anything. At best it will clear a path so Detroit can "help" there own future.
    If it go's back to business as usual. oh well. You can't fix stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 313hero View Post
    Can You or anyone show how State Takeovers "help"?
    Help means both the attempt [[help to saving a drowning woman) and the result [[with the Doctor's help, I recovered).

    Sometimes the Doctor provides help, and the patient dies.

    The attempt to help does not guarantee results.

    Governor Snyder is certainly helping Detroit. Its an opinion whether his help is helpful or harmful. I vote for helpful.

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    I think it's time for the Governor to shut the door and take the phone off the hook. "You call us when you're ready," should be their mantra. If Detroiters think that a consent agreement is bad, then it's time they live a little bit in the world of hurt we call municipal bankruptcy.
    I have to disagree with your implication here. I doubt the vast majority of Detroiters would notice any difference between a consent agreement and a bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwilbert View Post
    I have to disagree with your implication here. I doubt the vast majority of Detroiters would notice any difference between a consent agreement and a bankruptcy.
    Hm. Well, your post gave me some pause. I guess after thinking about it, you're right. The vast majority of Detroiters won't notice any substantive difference between the choices made in a consent agreement, and EFM, or a bankruptcy.

    The point that I think gets lost is that the first two are much, much quicker. A municipal bankruptcy can drag out for years.

    But I guess to your point...if most Detroiters won't notice any difference...then why are they fighting for bankruptcy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corktownyuppie View Post
    Hm. Well, your post gave me some pause. I guess after thinking about it, you're right. The vast majority of Detroiters won't notice any substantive difference between the choices made in a consent agreement, and EFM, or a bankruptcy.

    The point that I think gets lost is that the first two are much, much quicker. A municipal bankruptcy can drag out for years.

    But I guess to your point...if most Detroiters won't notice any difference...then why are they fighting for bankruptcy?
    Well, your post gave me some pause. If most Detroiters won't notice any difference......then why are most suburbanites fighting for an EFM?

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