The State of Michigan Screws Detroit Over Again [[DPS "Rescue" Package)

[brizee]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

[Hermod]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...
This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.
Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

DPS looked pretty shitty to the rest of the country long before anyone started charter schools.

[Bigdd]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

Non-certified teachers are also some of the very best there are. They generally work in private schools.

Certification doesn't mean the teacher is smart,.. or enthusiastic, or good,.. it just means they jumped through a bunch of hoops. Then probably became unionized,.. and now can't be fired, even if they commit crimes, fail to perform etc.

The best 3 teachers I know aren't "certified".

Merit based pay is critical also. This will do wonders. New, bright, hard-working teachers will really teach,.. and be rewarded for their efforts,. and not get burned out so fast as they also get rewarded financially for what they do.

And the rotten apples will find it less appealing to stay,.. and it will be cheaper for the district if they need to be parked in the rubber room for a few decades.

[Zacha341]

I get you on that, I am a graduate of Murray-Wright HS which was a combination traditional HS and a career tech -- all in one. Some non certified teachers teach in the career tech schools.

I simply want to add that certification for those who have it, is tied to fairly rigorous state mandated testing, continuing education, including renewal of said certification[[s). Not just having a union card in the back pocket.

Certification doesn't mean the teacher is smart,.. or enthusiastic, or good,.. it just means they jumped through a bunch of hoops. Then probably became unionized,.. and now can't be fired, even if they commit crimes, fail to perform etc.

The best 3 teachers I know aren't "certified".

[BankruptcyGuy]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

The newly-elected school board will have the OPTION to use non-certified teachers. No one is forcing them to.

[Wesley Mouch]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

Non-certified teachers don't mean not qualified. In fact, it probably means just exactly the opposite. They might hire a young computer programmer to teach kids how to program computer games. Or a chemical engineer to teach chemistry. Or a management consultant to teach business. They would very likely be skilled. And probably certified in other areas. But they just wouldn't be career teachers with a TEACHING certificate.

This is giving DETROIT and ONLY DETROIT an edge. Its not a disadvantage nor something to be ashamed of.

[Zacha341]

What you are describing is the the 'career tech' model of teachers who come out of industry, which has advantages for sure. Yet, even some of those teachers matriculate to certain levels of certification and varied degrees in education. I am not certain the 'industry only' would/ could be really applicable for all classes for all curricula. And who is coming out of industry, particularly some the remaining higher pay industries to teach for lower wages?

Further, when is the 'new' and wondrous non certified teaching option going to occur and as the new, eh' 'standard' across the state? If it this is just for Detroit, then I feel this is an option driven by and for a desired political outcome. Not necessarily an advantage.

Non-certified teachers don't mean not qualified. In fact, it probably means just exactly the opposite. They might hire a young computer programmer to teach kids how to program computer games. Or a chemical engineer to teach chemistry. Or a management consultant to teach business. They would very likely be skilled. And probably certified in other areas. But they just wouldn't be career teachers with a TEACHING certificate.

This is giving DETROIT and ONLY DETROIT an edge. Its not a disadvantage nor something to be ashamed of.

[Zacha341]

Hmm, the construct of 'separate but equal' does seem to emerge.....

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

[313WX]

Non-certified teachers for Detroit and ONLY Detroit...

This is almost certainly going to be fought to the Supreme Court.

Does this state not actually realize just how shitty it looks to the rest of the country lately.

A commentator on CNN recently asked on-air with a legitimately bewildered expression "What the hell is going on in Michigan!?" when discussing one of the many surreal situations going on here.

Yeah, this is the type of stuff you would expect out of Mississippi or a third world country, not the state that was once one of the most progressive in the country.

BTW, you know as well as I know that nothing's going to come out of THIS state's Supreme Court that isn't in lock step with the agenda of those in rural areas and the DeVos family. That's why I'm pretty much done with it all.

[Bobl]

A commentator on CNN recently asked on-air with a legitimately bewildered expression "What the hell is going on in Michigan!?" when discussing one of the many surreal situations going on here.

Yeah, this is the type of stuff you would expect out of Mississippi or a third world country, not the state that was once one of the most progressive in the country.

BTW, you know as well as I know that nothing's going to come out of THIS state's Supreme Court that isn't in lock step with the agenda of those in rural areas and the DeVos family. That's why I'm pretty much done with it all.

Yes. It is amazing that a conservative revolution has changed the State and the nation without a shot being fired or adequate mention from the news media. A good synopsis of this achievement is offered in the book Dark Money, by Jane Mayer.

[Hermod]

Yes. It is amazing that a conservative revolution has changed the State and the nation without a shot being fired or adequate mention from the news media. A good synopsis of this achievement is offered in the book Dark Money, by Jane Mayer.

It was a reaction to the disastrous 1970s and the failures of the "Great Society".

[Bobl]

Actually, Hermod, it was a money and power grab by a relatively tiny number of wealthy families and corporations, who would prefer no pesky regulations that protect the environment and health and safety of the rest of us.