Windsor Casino Rejects 2nd Tentative Agreement

[Bham1982]

You are not making any sense. You are comparing apples to oranges. What do movie theaters have to do with casino gambling?

They're both highly lucrative sources of govt. regulated leisure entertainment. How are they morally distinct?

My moral objection is to gambling, the peope who profit from it, and it's consequences, not free enterprise. I also have a moral objection to stealing. Are you going to suggest that's morally right too?

Stealing is obviously illegal, and has nothing to do with anything.

[davewindsor]

They're both highly lucrative sources of govt. regulated leisure entertainment. How are they morally distinct?

It's morally objectionable because people who work in a casino profit off the misery of others.

What misery do movie theatres create??

That's the difference. The profiting from the "misery of others" factor is what makes them morally distinct. What are you not getting?

Stealing is obviously illegal, and has nothing to do with anything.

A thief profits by creating misery for other people. That's what it has to do with anything. If somebody steals your wallet, does that not cause you some misery? Think about it.

[Bham1982]

It's morally objectionable because people who work in a casino profit off the misery of others.

That's no different from any other leisure activity. Plenty of people go bankrupt with shopping addictions, drinking or overeating problems, video game crazes, whatever. You wanna shut down department stores because lives have been destroyed due to shopping addictions?

What misery do movie theatres create??

Hollywood produces the same alleged "misery" created by casino gambling, restaurants/bars, sporting events or any other elective leisure activity. There's no difference, morally or otherwise.

[davewindsor]

That's no different from any other leisure activity. Plenty of people go bankrupt with shopping addictions, drinking or overeating problems, video game crazes, whatever. You wanna shut down department stores because lives have been destroyed due to shopping addictions?

You don't even know what you are talking about. If you buy something at a department store on impulse, you can take it back and get a full refund in 30 days. If you blow all your savings at the tables or a slot machine, the casino is not gonna give you a refund.

Hollywood produces the same alleged "misery" created by casino gambling, restaurants/bars, sporting events or any other elective leisure activity. There's no difference, morally or otherwise.

You're so full of sh-t. Show me the study that shows movie theatres create the same misery as casino gambling.

[Canadian Visitor]

You don't even know what you are talking about. If you buy something at a department store on impulse, you can take it back and get a full refund in 30 days. If you blow all your savings at the tables or a slot machine, the casino is not gonna give you a refund.



You're so full of sh-t. Show me the study that shows movie theatres create the same misery as casino gambling.

You're completely myopic and idealogue'ish ' on this subject.

Bham is on point.

When you buy a drink, or 3, or 5, or 10 do you get a refund if you had one too many? [[or 5 too many)?

No.

The responsibility is yours to know your limit, legally and otherwise.

Bars may bear a limited liability if they know you're driving and they serve you well past an acceptable point, but prosecutions are rare.

***

If you indulge in any form of over-spending on a consumable product where the experience is not 'returnable' you are out the money from the time you buy said experience/product/service.

There is no 30-day return policy on restaurant meals, or food you've already eaten, LOL

Nor on most forms of entertainment.

Ontario Casinos do have upper limits on what you can wager and do have programs to prohibit known problem gamblers.

How you get that offering someone the 'chance' win money, when they know, or ought to know the chance is slim, is immoral is beyond me.

[davewindsor]

You're completely myopic and idealogue'ish ' on this subject.

Bham is on point.

When you buy a drink, or 3, or 5, or 10 do you get a refund if you had one too many? [[or 5 too many)?

No.

The responsibility is yours to know your limit, legally and otherwise.

Bars may bear a limited liability if they know you're driving and they serve you well past an acceptable point, but prosecutions are rare.

WRONG!

A lot of downtown bars in Windsor have had their licenses suspended or revoked for serving too many drinks. A lot of the bar names in downtown have changed and there are a lot of bars in downtown that are permanently closed. Guess why? Servers now have to take mandatory smart serve courses in Ontario. Insurance premiums have skyrocketed for liquor licensed establishments. You also can't go bankrupt going binge drinking one night like you can gambling at a casino.

And there other programs in place to limit how much you drink. Ride program stop checks and random checks by police. It's done on a regular basis. Police throwing people stumbling along the street into the drunk tank for the night and charging them with public intoxication. New laws making it the crime of rape to sleep with a woman that's intoxicated--women can't give consent while intoxicated under the law now.

Once a drunk individual is charged and shows up to court, the judge usually requires mandatory counseling with a mental health professional, a mental health report, and education as part of probation or they go straight to jail.

There's a lot of programs in place to deal with drinking that doesn't exist with casino gambling.

***

If you indulge in any form of over-spending on a consumable product where the experience is not 'returnable' you are out the money from the time you buy said experience/product/service.

There is no 30-day return policy on restaurant meals, or food you've already eaten, LOL

He said department stores, numb nuts.

BTW-You're not going to go bankrupt eating at a restaurant one night in Windsor. Many restaurants will refund you if you said the food was bad. McDonald's, for example, has a food guarantee if you have no conscience. If they don't refund, you can also refuse to pay at the end of your meal. The police might pick you up, but you're not paying for it and going broke.

Nor on most forms of entertainment.

Most forms of entertainment can't bankrupt you the first night you do it.

Ontario Casinos do have upper limits on what you can wager and do have programs to prohibit known problem gamblers.

And that's why Caesar's has a high rollers room, right? You can go bankrupt in one night at Caesar's casino. That's not the case for most other forms of entertainment. You're comparing apples to oranges.

And, the programs to prohibit gamblers are "VOLUNTARY"! The problem gambler has to ask to be put on the banned list. How useless is that?? Quite unlike Smart Serve where servers have a legal obligation to cut patrons off that are drunk.

How you get that offering someone the 'chance' win money, when they know, or ought to know the chance is slim, is immoral is beyond me.

Because you are profiting off the misery of others. Haven't you been paying attention this whole time?