Detroit Osborn doesn't look bad at all compared to Chicago Englewood!

**speeddaytwah** · December-30-12, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bham1982

IMO the exact inverse situation is happening in Englewood. In previous years, Chicago had growing numbers of immigrants and gentrifers. Now both groups are in retreat.

In the past [[1980's through maybe 2007 or so), there was massive investment in the South Loop [[gentrification) and massive Mexican investment in Little Village [[immigration).

Now the exact opposite is occuring. Chicago is bleeding population, the Mexicans are moving to the suburbs from Little Village, and the South Loop condos site half empty.

The more likely near-term scenario is that Englewood will become more economically isolated and experience further decline, as blacks, whites and Latinos continue their flight to the Chicagoland suburbs.

The average life expectancy is 25 in Englewood. Isn't that sad? I wouldn't get out of a car in Englewood unless I have 5 friends with me.

**wolverine** · December-30-12, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by ............

The average life expectancy is 25 in Englewood. Isn't that sad? I wouldn't get out of a car in Englewood unless I have 5 friends with me.

I've heard that number floated around before, I believe it's misunderstood. I remembering hearing 25 was the life expectancy for the average person with a previous arrests for violent criminal acts. And it may have been buried in article relating to gang activity.

Here's a recent detailed report. Looks like the average life expectancy of Englewood residents is between 70-75 years....but that's still not good at all.

http://www.jointcenter.org/sites/def...k%20County.pdf

**Sehv313** · January-02-13, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by ............

The average life expectancy is 25 in Englewood. Isn't that sad? I wouldn't get out of a car in Englewood unless I have 5 friends with me.

Thats the average life expectancy everywhere in any city, Englewood is not that bad, I got fam on 63rd that's BD's & other cousins thats BPSN, Osborn area aint too bad either compared to most of the city. The houses always looked nice there but crime is getting worse at a rapid pace.

**Brian1979** · January-03-13, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Sehv313

Thats the average life expectancy everywhere in any city, Englewood is not that bad, I got fam on 63rd that's BD's & other cousins thats BPSN, Osborn area aint too bad either compared to most of the city. The houses always looked nice there but crime is getting worse at a rapid pace.

You are seriously in denial to say that Englewood is not that bad. What's not that bad about it? It's one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago and you're saying it's not that bad?

70% of the crime that happens in Chicago happens in 20 neighborhoods spread across the South and West sides. Englewood is not safe at all. Also I don't think that Detroit can say the same as far as their crime goes, Detroit is roughly 80% black, Chicago is roughly 30% black, Chicago also has many more nice neighborhoods than Detroit does. You can venture quite aways from the Loop and be in a nice area, you can't do the same in Detroit. Let's say you go up to Diversey and Clark/Broadway in Lincoln Park, well that's a nice area, how about a neighborhood that far from downtown in Detroit? It's not a nice area.

**Sehv313** · January-06-13, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Brian1979

You are seriously in denial to say that Englewood is not that bad. What's not that bad about it? It's one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago and you're saying it's not that bad?

70% of the crime that happens in Chicago happens in 20 neighborhoods spread across the South and West sides. Englewood is not safe at all. Also I don't think that Detroit can say the same as far as their crime goes, Detroit is roughly 80% black, Chicago is roughly 30% black, Chicago also has many more nice neighborhoods than Detroit does. You can venture quite aways from the Loop and be in a nice area, you can't do the same in Detroit. Let's say you go up to Diversey and Clark/Broadway in Lincoln Park, well that's a nice area, how about a neighborhood that far from downtown in Detroit? It's not a nice area.

I've lived on 63rd & Normal street for 3 months the summer of 2008 its no different from any other hood in Detroit, I walked the same blocks you speak of no big deal fam, you're lookin from the outside in, If you never lived there you would'nt know, so chill. Of course crime is only horrible in ceartin areas of chicago because chicago is only financially lacking in ceartin areas. So stop google mapping neighbborhoods & actually spend time in them before you start bashing them.