Some repackaged variant of [[already struck down) stop and frisk coming to Detroit?

**Wesley Mouch** · September-08-13, 06:27 PM

Its too bad that people associate S&F with profiling. Has nothing to do with it -- except by bad cops. And bad cops will find another way to profile -- so killing S&F to kill profiling won't work. S&F can be abused -- like all policing powers. Something is NYC is working to reduce crime. We'll see what happens to the crime rate with S&F hobbled by well-intentioned people who don't live in those neighborhoods that need it and appreciate it most.

**mwilbert** · September-08-13, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Something is NYC is working to reduce crime.

Whenever people mention this, I have to point out that crime has been falling dramatically everywhere in the US. If S&F has had any effect, it would be hard to tease out from the overall trend. Of course the NYPD brass likes to claim that it is because of their tactics, but that isn't well supported. I'm pretty convinced that the rise and fall of environmental lead is the main explanation.

**Meddle** · September-08-13, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Its too bad that people associate S&F with profiling. Has nothing to do with it --

Sorry, but there is NO valid reason why police should be able to grab anybody at random and feel them up.

**brizee** · October-10-13, 07:37 AM

This sure seems like some newspeak, smartest guy in the room, way of saying stop and frisk is getting ready to be deployed.

I really like the bringing up of recent violent attacks to get an emotional response to accept a tactic already struck down.

The new chief is looking as full of shit as everybody else in this state.