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    Quote Originally Posted by Bong-Man View Post
    Repugnants haven't captured a majority of the female vote since 1988...6 elections. "Vulger-gate" just guaranteed number #7. You can't logistically win a Presidential race today by alienating both women and minorities. It means you lose.
    In 2012, Romney won married women by 7 points but Obama won unmarried women by 36 points. Perhaps those groups have different needs. Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape accusers should logically more than balance the corporate media's present diversion. Trump smashed Hillary in the last debate. Of course, the Christian right might be more offended by Trump's comments than Democrats are of Hillary dissing rape victims. I would prefer that Trump, or even the press, would focus on the rekindled cold war Hillary and Obama brought us. Administration and Russian officials are threatening acts of war against each other. This is more serious than Trump's comments and Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape victims. Hillary has even backed the draft registration of women if things get out of hand; something that parents of daughters should be thinking more about even more than what Trump said 11 years ago or what Bill and Hillary did 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    In 2012, Romney won married women by 7 points but Obama won unmarried women by 36 points. Perhaps those groups have different needs. Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape accusers should logically more than balance the corporate media's present diversion. Trump smashed Hillary in the last debate. Of course, the Christian right might be more offended by Trump's comments than Democrats are of Hillary dissing rape victims. I would prefer that Trump, or even the press, would focus on the rekindled cold war Hillary and Obama brought us. Administration and Russian officials are threatening acts of war against each other. This is more serious than Trump's comments and Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape victims. Hillary has even backed the draft registration of women if things get out of hand; something that parents of daughters should be thinking more about even more than what Trump said 11 years ago or what Bill and Hillary did 20 years ago.
    It would be much more logical to examine what happened the last two times GWB won the Presidency. He still lost the female vote, but he captured a larger percentage than most Republican candidates. He also captured a larger percentage of the Latino vote. That allowed him to win Florida...barely. Trump will have no such luck. As for comparing the two candidates, I'm surprised any American can get passed the birther movement and what it represented. As a Democrat, I would have voted for either of the last two Republican candidates if Donald was the Democratic nominee. Stupidity, blatant ignorance, and treason go beyond politics. His handling of his own tax issue demonstrates that. He should have released them in the primaries and took the hit. It would be a non-issue by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bong-Man View Post
    It would be much more logical to examine what happened the last two times GWB won the Presidency. He still lost the female vote, but he captured a larger percentage than most Republican candidates. He also captured a larger percentage of the Latino vote. That allowed him to win Florida...barely. Trump will have no such luck. As for comparing the two candidates, I'm surprised any American can get passed the birther movement and what it represented. As a Democrat, I would have voted for either of the last two Republican candidates if Donald was the Democratic nominee. Stupidity, blatant ignorance, and treason go beyond politics. His handling of his own tax issue demonstrates that. He should have released them in the primaries and took the hit. It would be a non-issue by now.
    I pointed out that married women voted for Bush in 2012 in response to your comment that "Repugnants [[cute) haven't captured a majority of the female vote since 1988...6 elections." My point was a parsing rather than a contradiction. Wasn't it Sidney Blumenthal who put forward the birther movement to help Hillary in 2008? Blatant ignorance is a desirable thing according to a 5/13/2016 email sent to Hillary by a DNC operative. "She doesn't want people knowing about her relationship on Wall Street. She wants to achieve consistency and the best way to do it is to keep people ignorant". Unless anyone wants to believe that the high percentage of contributors to the Clinton Foundation who received profitable rulings from the State Department was coincidence, those big donations by Saudis begin to look like treason especially since Hillary was aware of large donations by Saudis to Islamic terrorists also according to WikiLeaks.

    I must have missed which laws Trump violated regarding his taxes. He used the same legal tax loopholes that the Clintons' used the last I heard, the ones Congress, including Democrats, wrote into law. I can understand the requests that Trump hand over his taxes before the election. Like with the birther movement, we are to 'believe' his paperwork is out of order. If he did release his taxes before the his audit was completed, the media could eat up a lot of time speculating how his taxes might come out; sort of like arguing about how a recipe will taste before it comes out of the oven.

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    In what specific way does this resonate ?


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    That everyone [[group, race and affiliation) are not aligning as they were expected. More deplorable's, I suppose. Even Louis Farrakan doesn't trust Clinton! Who knew?

    Quote Originally Posted by vetalalumni View Post
    In what specific way does this resonate?
    Last edited by Zacha341; November-05-16 at 06:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    In 2012, Romney won married women by 7 points but Obama won unmarried women by 36 points. Perhaps those groups have different needs. Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape accusers should logically more than balance the corporate media's present diversion. Trump smashed Hillary in the last debate. Of course, the Christian right might be more offended by Trump's comments than Democrats are of Hillary dissing rape victims. I would prefer that Trump, or even the press, would focus on the rekindled cold war Hillary and Obama brought us. Administration and Russian officials are threatening acts of war against each other. This is more serious than Trump's comments and Hillary's treatment of Bill's rape victims. Hillary has even backed the draft registration of women if things get out of hand; something that parents of daughters should be thinking more about even more than what Trump said 11 years ago or what Bill and Hillary did 20 years ago.
    Speaking of diversions, how far can the case for DT go without mentioning HC? In order to not provide DT a free pass, why not prefer DT focus on what DT would do? We have not heard much of that from him or his supporters.

    The continual handling of DT with kid gloves is not helpful to DT. It does little to elevate DT and generates complacency regarding what he would be held accountable for as POTUS.

    We have yet to learn critical details about what, when, where, why and how DT would successfully accomplish anything were he elected. We already know that if elected DT would succeed in keeping HC out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetalalumni View Post
    Speaking of diversions, how far can the case for DT go without mentioning HC? In order to not provide DT a free pass, why not prefer DT focus on what DT would do? We have not heard much of that from him or his supporters.

    The continual handling of DT with kid gloves is not helpful to DT. It does little to elevate DT and generates complacency regarding what he would be held accountable for as POTUS.

    We have yet to learn critical details about what, when, where, why and how DT would successfully accomplish anything were he elected. We already know that if elected DT would succeed in keeping HC out.
    Trump may not be a good choice but Hillary is a known poison. Trump's willingness to promote detente with Russia is an easy choice compared with Hillary's neocon positions and history of rekindling the cold war. Why would anyone in their right mind want to vote for Hillary after her catastrophic policies in Ukraine, Libya, and Syria and her cheerleading support and vote for the Iraq war? Hillary's desire to overthrow Assad is not worth risking WWIII.

    Trump has also been explicit in supporting the reigning in free trade treaties, enforcing border security, and naturalization law; all of which would help US workers whose wages have been in decline. Hillary, in contrast, supports the Soros agenda of open borders, groups fighting each other, cheap labor, and 1%er control. Trump wants to temporarily restrict Muslim immigration. Hillary wants the Syrian refugees her policies created to flood into the US even after what happened in Europe and incidents like 9/11 here.
    Last edited by oladub; October-12-16 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Trump may not be a good choice but Hillary is a known poison. Trump's willingness to promote detente with Russia is an easy choice compared with Hillary's neocon positions and history of rekindling the cold war. Why would anyone in their right mind want to vote for Hillary after her catastrophic policies in Ukraine, Libya, and Syria and her cheerleading support and vote for the Iraq war? Hillary's desire to overthrow Assad is not worth risking WWIII.

    Trump has also been explicit in supporting the reigning in free trade treaties, enforcing border security, and naturalization law; all of which would help US workers whose wages have been in decline. Hillary, in contrast, supports the Soros agenda of open borders, groups fighting each other, cheap labor, and 1%er control. Trump wants to temporarily restrict Muslim immigration. Hillary wants the Syrian refugees her policies created to flood into the US even after what happened in Europe and incidents like 9/11 here.
    Yes, the war and trade issues are getting him votes from some of the former Bernie people.

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    I'm getting all sorts of "agro" from my wife over this Election. Evidently I groped her about 50 years ago and I haven't done it again in the last 45 years and she wants to know why! [[my memory is completely blank on the subject).

    She says she rejected me the first time round but she's not pleased that I've stopped trying. Just goes to show how dangerous groping is; you try it out when you suffer from an excess of virility and you can end up with the same gropee forever, and you're never allowed to forget how you got there.
    Last edited by coracle; October-14-16 at 07:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coracle View Post
    I'm getting all sorts of "agro" from my wife over this Election. Evidently I groped her about 50 years ago and I haven't done it again in the last 45 years and she wants to know why! [[my memory is completely blank on the subject).

    She says she rejected me the first time round but she's not pleased that I've stopped trying. Just goes to show how dangerous groping is; you try it out when you suffer from an excess of virility and you can end up with the same gropee forever, and you're never allowed to forget how you got there.
    HaHaHa..
    THIS MAN SPEAK-IF THE TRUTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    HaHaHa..
    THIS MAN SPEAK-IF THE TRUTH!
    Well it wasn't quite 50 years ago; it only feels like it. The bit about the loss of memory is an "I don't recall" tactic in case I get questioned on detail and get mixed up with an unrelated grope and initiate a "that wasn't me" moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coracle View Post
    I'm getting all sorts of "agro" from my wife over this Election. Evidently I groped her about 50 years ago and I haven't done it again in the last 45 years and she wants to know why! [[my memory is completely blank on the subject).

    She says she rejected me the first time round but she's not pleased that I've stopped trying. Just goes to show how dangerous groping is; you try it out when you suffer from an excess of virility and you can end up with the same gropee forever, and you're never allowed to forget how you got there.
    Timely. And possibly offensive. Based on context as portrayed, seems safe though. The witty self-deprecation makes this anecdote ironic. After all, this would likely be sexual assault or domestic abuse were the groped [[wife) to find the groping objectionable. My virgin ears and all [[courtesy to Ben Carson).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam View Post
    Yes, the war and trade issues are getting him votes from some of the former Bernie people.
    "I sure won't sleep well at night if Donald Trump is elected, but I sure won't sleep well at night if Hillary Clinton elected. We have another choice other than these two candidates who are both promoting lethal policies.

    On the issue of war and nuclear weapons, it is actually Hillary's policies which are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia.

    He wants to seek modes of working together, which is the route that we need to follow not to go into confrontation and nuclear war with Russia."
    -Jill Stein

    Jill Stein: Trump Is Less Dangerous Than Clinton; She Will Start Nuclear War With Russia

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