Why haven't we had a plan like this for Metro-Detroit?

[animatedmartian]

"Because the Buffalo Metro as a whole has been declining whereas Metro Detroit is not. "

Metro Detroit has been, at best, stagnant. Many communities have seen their property values and population decline and not just in Detroit and the inner suburbs. Places like Plymouth Township and Livonia are both "stable" communities which have lost population since 2000.

Stagnant, but not suffering. A lot of the older suburbs, such as Livonia, have a problem attracting young families [[probably because they all don't resemble Royal Oak/less than desirable schools), but still have pretty stable job centers. Unlike Buffalo, Detroit's suburbs aren't in a downward spiral of an economy [[especially since much of them are tied to the health of the Big 3).

[iheartthed]

Stagnant, but not suffering. A lot of the older suburbs, such as Livonia, have a problem attracting young families [[probably because they all don't resemble Royal Oak/less than desirable schools), but still have pretty stable job centers. Unlike Buffalo, Detroit's suburbs aren't in a downward spiral of an economy [[especially since much of them are tied to the health of the Big 3).

The Detroit MSA declined in population by over 156,000 residents between 2000 and 2010, which was more than other MSA in the country. I'm not sure what your definition of declining is, but I'm sure that most people would consider Metro Detroit to be in decline.

[Wesley Mouch]

Why don't we have a plan like this? You haven't noticed?

The plan is the current bankruptcy reorganization by Kevin Orr.

The 'Billion' dollars is funds from Chase, Unions, Philanthropists, and the State of Michigan -- probably over a Billion if you count everything.

[animatedmartian]

The Detroit MSA declined in population by over 156,000 residents between 2000 and 2010, which was more than other MSA in the country. I'm not sure what your definition of declining is, but I'm sure that most people would consider Metro Detroit to be in decline.

Again, tied to the Big 3. Throughout the 2000s, the auto-industry was leading up to the eventual collapse which meant they were outsourcing jobs left and right and trying to trim costs. Then of course by 2008, the collapse happened and a substantial number of jobs were lost. [[and thus more people left for greener pastures).

Most every other decade for Metro Detroit saw growth plus between 2010 to 2013, Metro Detroit has seen population rebound upward. Even taking into account the reshuffling of the population, there's still in-migration coming from outside the metro.

[iheartthed]

Again, tied to the Big 3. Throughout the 2000s, the auto-industry was leading up to the eventual collapse which meant they were outsourcing jobs left and right and trying to trim costs. Then of course by 2008, the collapse happened and a substantial number of jobs were lost. [[and thus more people left for greener pastures).

Most every other decade for Metro Detroit saw growth plus between 2010 to 2013, Metro Detroit has seen population rebound upward. Even taking into account the reshuffling of the population, there's still in-migration coming from outside the metro.

All I"m establishing here is the fact that Metro Detroit is in decline. If you want to attribute it to the Big 3 then okay, but that is just a detail. FYI- As of 2013 Metro Detroit is still estimated to be below its 2010 census population.

[animatedmartian]

All I"m establishing here is the fact that Metro Detroit is in decline. If you want to attribute it to the Big 3 then okay, but that is just a detail. FYI- As of 2013 Metro Detroit is still estimated to be below its 2010 census population.

And I'd disagree and say that Detroit isn't declining. Especially at the same extent of other Rust Belt metros. Buffalo's metro has seen constant decline since 1980 and that's pretty indisputable.

It's true that Detroit's MSA numbers are still under 2010 numbers but by only by 2-3,000. That's easily a drop in the bucket for a large metropolitan area and 2014 likely went over the 2010 population count. Especially considering that 2012 and 2013 are positive growth years with 4,094 and 2,151 respectively. With the fair bit of positive news about Metro Detroit's economy as of late, I would expect that 2014 easily covered that 3,000 person deficit.

[iheartthed]

And I'd disagree and say that Detroit isn't declining. Especially at the same extent of other Rust Belt metros. Buffalo's metro has seen constant decline since 1980 and that's pretty indisputable.

It's true that Detroit's MSA numbers are still under 2010 numbers but by only by 2-3,000. That's easily a drop in the bucket for a large metropolitan area and 2014 likely went over the 2010 population count. Especially considering that 2012 and 2013 are positive growth years with 4,094 and 2,151 respectively. With the fair bit of positive news about Metro Detroit's economy as of late, I would expect that 2014 easily covered that 3,000 person deficit.

A criteria for being a Rust Belt metropolis is that your region is in perceived decline. I haven't argued that Detroit is worse than Buffalo -- that's irrelevant for determining whether Detroit itself is in decline.

[animatedmartian]

A criteria for being a Rust Belt metropolis is that your region is in perceived decline. I haven't argued that Detroit is worse than Buffalo -- that's irrelevant for determining whether Detroit itself is in decline.

That's more of a matter of opinion in my view. My idea of a Rust Belt city was just a city in the upper-midwest that's primarily based on manufacturing. I didn't think it conjured an image of the condition of such cities.

[Cliffy]

All I"m establishing here is the fact that Metro Detroit is in decline. If you want to attribute it to the Big 3 then okay, but that is just a detail. FYI- As of 2013 Metro Detroit is still estimated to be below its 2010 census population.

If you compare 1998 and 2014, then yes its in decline. If you compare the last 4 consecutive years then its not in decline, its growing.