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    Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
    Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideLion View Post
    Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
    Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?
    Great point. At the same time consider this point of view: Black men and Black women as a whole are demonized and marginalized because of poor media images that misrepresent the true collective nature of the Black American culture. People such as myself, educated, Christian, morally upright, career-minded, and most importantly, family-oriented, get lumped in with a minute minority of women within the Black female culture that choose not to better themselves, are morally and sexually loose, and have no standards/values. The same is true for educated, Christian, morally upright, career-minded, and family-oriented Black men. The guilt by association and the need for a superior-minded race [[i. e. White race) to demonize, marginalize, and ostracize a culture of people so that they can maintain economic, social, and political control within the broader American society. White people have been very methodic in maintaining their economic, social, and political supremacy in the American society. It does not intimidate me. However, for some Blacks it is both intimidating and cripples their ability to fully participate in the greatness that does exist in America.

    Just my .02.

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    Good points also Jal.

    Unfortunately, over half of African-American children are raised in a single family home in this country.

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data...s.aspx?ind=107

    This puts them at a significant disadvantage, and perpetuates a permanent underclass. Here in Michigan the numbers are even worse, with 70% of African American children having only one parent in the home. While not impossible to overcome, and certainly there are many very good single parents, it is another hurdle to success for an already burdened segment of society, and in this case it is not something society can easily remedy through policy.

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    Default generalization hurts all people who strive

    generalization and sterotyping hurts all people and specificly thoes who do not see all as created equally...Social justice is where we should begin and the whole premise is that we RE-CREATE a system that ensure full participation for all...

    That will need to have a willingness to understand eachother and show compassion and forgiveness..those who try to protect pwoer ultimately will lose..those that extend it to all will ultimately suceed.

    MOP

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    I am so tired of the excuses from many white folks which is "i was not around 300 years ago yada,yada, yada..

    I have a news flash nor was I around 300 years ago yet our nation made legal the ownership of certain property and other business opportunities just for white folks and as such these unearned benefits and privledges still have impact in 2009..

    It amazes me how people will worship the sancity of the written words of our US Constitution which was composed centuries ago that still has impact in 2009 and yet out of the same mouth seek to distance the depravity and the impact of jim crow type laws and just bumps in the road ot our nation's twisted past....

    Sorry but I am not buying that excuse, deflection or denial....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosee View Post
    I am so tired of the excuses from many white folks which is "i was not around 300 years ago yada,yada, yada..

    I have a news flash nor was I around 300 years ago yet our nation made legal the ownership of certain property and other business opportunities just for white folks and as such these unearned benefits and privledges still have impact in 2009..

    It amazes me how people will worship the sancity of the written words of our US Constitution which was composed centuries ago that still has impact in 2009 and yet out of the same mouth seek to distance the depravity and the impact of jim crow type laws and just bumps in the road ot our nation's twisted past....

    Sorry but I am not buying that excuse, deflection or denial....
    what's your point? i get that slavery, segregation, etc all still have an impact on society today, but i can't figure out what you're driving at here. is it that every white person today should feel personally responsible for these laws? is it that white people should be so guilt ridden that they can't say someone like MonCon is playing the race card?

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    dosee Guest

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    I do not care about white guilt not the ignorance of white folks about our nation's depraved racial legacy..BTW I do not believe MC played the Race Card...The RACE CARD is a game created and invented by whites so I do not think Blacks play the race card..

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    Let's see, dosee thinks the media is out to get the city council and is unfair in reporting their rampant corruption, and that only white people play the race card... Monica, that you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosee View Post
    I do not care about white guilt not the ignorance of white folks about our nation's depraved racial legacy..BTW I do not believe MC played the Race Card...The RACE CARD is a game created and invented by whites so I do not think Blacks play the race card..
    if you don't care about white guilt or white people's ignorance of racial history, what were you posting about? I still have no idea what point your were trying to drive home?

    And if black people can't play the race card, what would you call it if I [[a black man) applied to be the new CEO of GM, and even though i am vastly unqualified with no experience, claimed it was because GM was being racist? would that not be a black person playing the race card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideLion View Post
    Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
    Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?

    In some cultures that believe in blood feuds 145 years means absolutely nothing, its like yesterday, so in some respects you are being held to a similar standard.

    Race card , racism means nothing to me on a individual basis but it means everything to me on an institutional basis, and thats where whites has have there advantages in this society. Individual statements of bigotry should be ignored, but most cases of racism in America affect "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness" and thats where I have problems. Blacks in very few instances control the institutions that have such an affect on peoples lives that they could be termed racist. Until institutional racism changes you will keep hearing the words race card and racism.

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    My question is what we are doing as individuals to change the paradigm to bring people together...not continue to rationalize why we "haven't" responisibility...what kind of world do we want our children to inherit? I personally recognize the past sins of humanity ...and work to try not to perpetuate those sins...I feel that one is pervasive and the is prejudice...and it is one of the toughest to overcome..when you have been victimized or perpetuated it by denying it exhists...
    Last edited by gibran; April-03-09 at 01:52 PM. Reason: spelling

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    ccbatson Guest

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    Check out true conservatives...race is not an issue in their ideology. Makes you wonder about your beloved liberals, doesn't it?

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    ccbatson Guest

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    Reagan...Romney is closest today.

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    Mitt seems to hang around in the same circle of friends as Bush, Dodd, Obama, and McCain. Birds of a feather flock together. Guess we know how Mitt would have voted on bankers' bailouts.-

    Goldman Sachs $234,275
    Citigroup Inc $178,200
    Merrill Lynch $173,025
    Morgan Stanley $170,350
    Lehman Brothers $152,000
    UBS AG $123,350
    Bain Capital $123,150
    Bain & Co $121,475
    Marriott International $121,150
    Kirkland & Ellis $109,400
    Compuware Corp $103,550
    Credit Suisse Group $102,600
    Huron Consulting Group $102,050
    The Villages $102,000
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250
    Affiliated Managers Group $82,112
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $79,700
    Cerberus Capital Management $78,950
    American Financial Group $78,350
    HIG Capital $71,675

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=N00000286

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    ccbatson Guest

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    He is "born again", and we don't have a clue how he would have voted on anything unless we ask him.

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