Another "what if"

[tallboy66]

I thought they had a 56% tax break for a while for an incentive for people to move businesses into the city. They did a nice job for Compuware.
I know most of those suburban buildings were built in the early to mid 70's during "white flight" after the riots and so on but it's been 40+ years since then and there are still floors and floors of unoccupied space with rolodexes and phone books form that time still in trashed offices with broken or boarded up windows so how are the new cities going to deal with vacancy rates as more and more people leave, like me I left 2003.

[casscorridor]

The Suburbs will come to resemble much of the City today-- a vast expanse of abandonment, empty fields, crumbling buildings, homes, and infrastructure. Only the devestation will be more severe and will not be undone. The old City neighborhoods will be restored, and a new building stock will emerge to compliment the old... a city of 150 years of progress. The suburbs, on the other hand will see its neighborhoods die, with its reletively new building stock with it. Many people will see it easier to take Detroit's old grand buildings, built to last, and renovate them, and build new next door. While in the suburbs that will be hard, if not impossible, for the physical layout is too incompatible with real urbanism. Transit will be far and few between, and the desperate people living there will have a much lower quality of live than the currently impoverished in the City. The suburban wasteland will be far more dangeous, unlivable, and hopeless that what is currently called wasteland in Detroit. It will become a place with no past and no future. Everything was new, yet not built to last more than a generation. And a generation from now will hear about the suburbs from us, their parents, and we will tell them about the mistake, that our parents gave us to fix.

[crawford]

The Suburbs will come to resemble much of the City today-- a vast expanse of abandonment, empty fields, crumbling buildings, homes, and infrastructure. Only the devestation will be more severe and will not be undone. The old City neighborhoods will be restored, and a new building stock will emerge to compliment the old... a city of 150 years of progress. The suburbs, on the other hand will see its neighborhoods die, with its reletively new building stock with it. Many people will see it easier to take Detroit's old grand buildings, built to last, and renovate them, and build new next door. While in the suburbs that will be hard, if not impossible, for the physical layout is too incompatible with real urbanism. Transit will be far and few between, and the desperate people living there will have a much lower quality of live than the currently impoverished in the City. The suburban wasteland will be far more dangeous, unlivable, and hopeless that what is currently called wasteland in Detroit. It will become a place with no past and no future. Everything was new, yet not built to last more than a generation. And a generation from now will hear about the suburbs from us, their parents, and we will tell them about the mistake, that our parents gave us to fix.

This, in a nutshell, is the Great Hope of DYes.

As to whether it makes any sense or has any chance of happening, or even why it would be any better than the existing predicament, I have no clue.

[ChickenSoupForTheDee]

This, in a nutshell, is the Great Hope of DYes.

As to whether it makes any sense or has any chance of happening, or even why it would be any better than the existing predicament, I have no clue.

Not all DYes thinks like this, but I have noticed a certain "Cargo-Cult" mentality. Look to the skies, pray for the return of the white man, etc., etc. Why pin your hopes on the collapse of suburbia? Why not instead take what you have, and make the most of it? This is what I think is the intended viable theme of DYes.

[Stosh]

Not all DYes thinks like this, but I have noticed a certain "Cargo-Cult" mentality. Look to the skies, pray for the return of the white man, etc., etc. Why pin your hopes on the collapse of suburbia? Why not instead take what you have, and make the most of it? This is what I think is the intended viable theme of DYes.

I'm already scoping out potential landing spots for next year's governmental meltdown. The bigger fear isn't the bankruptcy of Detroit, it's Michigan in general.

[noula]

I'm already scoping out potential landing spots for next year's governmental meltdown. The bigger fear isn't the bankruptcy of Detroit, it's Michigan in general.

Stosh is bang-on! We are witnessing the beginning of the end of big government. Our elite masters have encouraged the departure of America's once great industrial base to foreign climes. The productive tax base remains in serious decline and this too may accelerate.

Socialism ends when government runs out of other peoples money to spend [[i.e the productive sector). We are at that point. The parasites are in panic. Follow long-term interest rates and the ever rising number of dollars to buy an ounce of gold.

Just look at Detroit's geographical location. No wonder it was such an economic dynamo. It'll come back once the governments fail and the private sector is freed.

[Stosh]

Just look at Detroit's geographical location. No wonder it was such an economic dynamo. It'll come back once the governments fail and the private sector is freed.

Detroit's geographical location was wonderful, if you were an 18th to early 20th century industrialist. It only makes sense in a world where raw materials flow and are consumed. The fur trade, lumber, copper, iron flowed down from upstate. This spawned the growth of settlement in Detroit, from Trapper's alley for furs, then manufacturing of all sorts, train cars, stoves, etc.

The only actual import of manufacturing supply was that of tobacco. And that was only due to the massive influx of immigrant labor then.

Detroit's location [[and it's suburbs too ) makes absolutely no economic sense today. It has to come up with a way to become economically useful, or it will perish, plain and simple.

[tallboy66]

Not all DYes thinks like this, but I have noticed a certain "Cargo-Cult" mentality. Look to the skies, pray for the return of the white man, etc., etc. Why pin your hopes on the collapse of suburbia? Why not instead take what you have, and make the most of it? This is what I think is the intended viable theme of DYes.

It's not even the return of "the white man" Southfield has been influxed by middle to upper class "blacks" that knew in order to have any type of life they had to leave, [[Detroit), I mean when the city make up is 85% +/- percent African American and still losing population something is seriously effed up.

The suburbs always are replaced with newer but in the case of Detroit it looks like it's reached an end. Just take a drive up 75 and the problems repeat all the way, Pontiac, Flint, Saginaw.

You'd think with all the abandon bldg. and low prices on historic homes that hipsters and preservationists would be stampeding Detroit but it just hasn't done what other old industrial cities have done to revitalize, and cities like Troy, West Bloomfield are filled with junk houses, wood frame subdivisions built in a few years.
No history, no craftsmanship, most of the trees aren't even half way to being mature,if they've even stayed alive,and how many people do you see walking on the sidewalks along Big Beaver, Crooks, Long Lake?

I hope it does come back and redevelops but I'm not holding my breath.

[ChickenSoupForTheDee]

something is seriously effed up.

No doubt, and the big non-starter is the schools. I've even imagined going Catholic and moving to West Burner. Once you become a parent, it gets complicated.

[ziggyselbin]

This, in a nutshell, is the Great Hope of DYes.

As to whether it makes any sense or has any chance of happening, or even why it would be any better than the existing predicament, I have no clue.

And neither do the know-it-alls that constantly post this doomsday crap.