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    Michigan did not lose jobs to southern U.S.,the forien companies that established there entered the market and created jobs where they did not exist.

    In 2019 the Honda Ridgeline was the only truck in the United States that was built in the U.S. using American made parts.

    Michigan lost jobs because the local Michigan manufacturers moved production of parts and some vehicles to Mexico.

    So it was a combination of losing market share to the manufacturers in the south and sending the jobs that they did have locally to Mexico.

    The only way you can alter those results is by placing tariffs,but as we seen it is racist to place tariffs in order to protect jobs in America or at the very least make it a level playing field.

    So the reason Michigan lost jobs and parts of the rest of country is because the people choose politics over jobs.

    The fantasy of free trade does not work unless you are equal trading partners,in theory we could do free trade with Canada but definitely not Mexico.

    But when we place restrictions on trade from un equal trading partners,they circumvent it by selling it to Canada who then sells it to us.

    So then we have to put tariffs on Canada.

    The government getting involved in manufacturing in this country was what helped destroy it,by regulating everything they can think of which in turn increases cost,which forces manufacturers to manufacture elsewhere in order to cut costs.

    Those countries do not care about saving the planet,they care about eating,just like in this country,if you are sitting there wondering how you are going to feed your family,you are going to have different priorities.

    We cannot blame the government,or Mexico or China,we the people made our own bed and most Americans could really care less if their neighbors can feed their families,as long as they can feed theirs.

    We are receiving exactly what we demanded ,clear sky’s and empty bank accounts was the cause and effect.

    We actually did not achieve anything but to move the dirty stuff to another country,that we are downwind of anyways and lost jobs in the process.

    We are capitalist but we are turning more and more into a socialist society when it comes to our jobs while destroying the concept of free enterprise.

    The markets do not dictate who owns what as in a free market or even free enterprise,the government has interjected itself so far into corporations it actually controls who survives or not and who gets subsidized.

    Refer to the civil war and the first thing that people think of is it was solely about freeing the slaves when it was not.

    At that time the industrial north who was purchasing raw materials from the south tried to dictate to the south the rates they will pay for those materials,in order to increase their profits.

    The south being as a majority agriculture and rural was poor already and the north was looking to drive down or have the ability to regulate what they could sell their goods for.

    It’s no different today but it is not between the north and the south it is between other countries as trading partners and the goal is fair and balanced trade,it should be but we are also subsidizing production in those countries at the cost of U.S. jobs.

    That’s the thing,people want better wages,people want good paying jobs,people want job security,people want to manufacture in the U.S. and Canada which creates those jobs.

    But people also want cheap products,so as long as I can save a few bucks,why should I care if people in Michigan eat from one day to the next or have jobs.

    That’s what people fail to comprehend,we are all in the same boat,if Michigan sucks,we all suck.

    A lot of it has to do with the size of our country,if you are in Florida it is easy to think that Michigan is some foreign country stuck way up there that has zero impact on our daily lives,but it does.

    People forget that most of the countries we compare ourselves to in Europe and Scandinavia are the size of one of our states.

    They can accomplish what we cannot because they are small and it is easy to create unity in the population towards common goals.

    We could do that if we were actually the United States,but we spend more time in keeping it a Divided States so every state becomes a country on its own.

    This country has the capability to produce enough goods and create jobs and have enough left over to have fair trade with other countries,there is no reason in the world that Michigan has to trade with Canada in order to survive at a reduced cost or Canada has to trade with Michigan for the same reason.

    For what ever reason there are people that want to keep us divided into groups and not become United and we eat it up like candy,but when that sugar rush is over and we are sleeping under a bridge or having to make a career choice that pays $15 per hour,then we bitch because we are only making $15 per hour.

    We the people control our own destiny and until we stop with all of its us verses them and become United we get what we deserve.

    That is a sign of good leadership in politics,creating a United force,but we vote for and choose politicians that keep us divided,so we get what we ask for.

    The ones that are really benefiting from it all are the socialists and commies and progressives that are destroying our way of life because we are letting them and giving them all the ammunition they need in order to do so.

    We are the ones selling our own country out.

    In business Michigan is not friends with Canada and Canada is going to do what is best for the Canadian as they should and Michigan needs to do what is best for Michigan and the United States that they are also a part of.

    These kumbaya moments of let’s join forces between Michigan and Canada is a load of crap,you can do trade deals that benefit both parties equally without losing site of the fact that you are competitors in two totally separate countries.

    Why does Canada need to ink a deal with Michigan that intertwines Michigan with Canada?

    I thought there was educated people in Canada that were capable of innovation ?

    Canada has never been dependent on Michigan and Michigan has never been dependent on Canada outside of trade,outside of that trade why do they need to join forces as one ?

    Unless of course a progressive Canada is looking at a progressive Michigan in order to gain a stronger foothold in this country in order to further their agenda,then it becomes more understandable.

    It’s business,they are not your friend.

    You can buy a Mercedes -German , Fiat/Chrysler - Italian , etc but you cannot buy à Canuckmobile because they do not know how to build their own cars?

    When you look at it for what it is - business,who needs who more and who should have the upper hand at the negotiating table?

    The numbers do not lie and clearly show who is actually being taken for a ride and being abused.

    The reality is at the end of the day,Canada could care less if workers in Michigan eat or not,they are going to always do what is in their best interests.

    Canada is a prime example of where the United States is heading,when you remove free enterprise from the equation,you remove innovation and then you have to look to join others who have something you no longer have.

    Thats why Canada needs to join innovative forces with Michigan,because they already destroyed it in Canada and without innovation,you starve.

    But in the future that same mindset will drain Michigan of its innovation and ability to remain cutting edge in order to compete and in order to compete Michigan will then have to sell goods at a lower cost and ends up being another Mexico or other low wage country.
    Last edited by Richard; August-03-23 at 08:54 PM.

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