Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
You seem to like facts sometimes and other times more than willing to throw them right out the window.

Antifa is far from the biggest problems the next administration will face. There is a legitimate argument that if hate groups were not on the rise there would not be a Anti-Fascist movement. Antifa is just another example of this administration making mountains out of molehills to stir up division and make themselves appear to be some sort of cure. The real question is could they be creating the disease in the first place?

It is issues like this that confuse me about you oladub. You claim the most important issue for you going forward is to have zero involvement in foreign conflict yet you are more than willing to bite hard on this Antifa bullshit bait.

How the hell do you think we got involved in those stupid foreign wars in the first place? With administrations that were completely on board with peddling extremely exaggerated fear to the American public. Trump is more than willing to do that obviously. He does it often.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eftwing-antifa
I disagree. Antifa acts like brownshirt fascists whatever it wants to call itself. If it is anti-fascistic, it is in the sense that Stalin considered everything in his way fascists. Millions of Kulaks died as a result of Marxism and the loss of their productivity meant hunger and starvation in much of the USSR. Antifa and antifa wannabees destroyed 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis in June. Some places in Minneapolis are now food deserts because local grocery stores were destroyed. Thats a mini version of the loss of productive kulaks. Blinding police with lasers, beating people unconscious [[Portland last night), destroying public and private property, blocking interstates, destroying 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis alone, having violent protests for over 70 days in a row in Portland, hospitalizing 17 police in Chicago, etc.. is, to me, more than "a molehill".

It isn't just antifa. Politicians and judges who tolerate and condone the violence and destruction are equally responsible. At least 29 people died in these protests, mostly by gun shot as of June 22. Homicide rates in Democratic cities have also increased since the BLM/antifa riots by 23% in NYC, 29% in Chicago, and by double digits in L.A.. This is largely the business of people who vote for Democrats. They can do to their cities what they want. However, Trump was right in trying to protect federal assets. In November, voters nationwide have the same choice to make.

The BLM/antifa movement has become something akin to the Cultural Revolution that set China back a few years by attacking merit and replacing it with ideology.

You mentioned wars. Wars are a huge drain on a country even if victorious. Hawks in China were pushing for the conquest of Taiwan while the U.S. was embroiled with Covid-19. If hundreds of sailors on U.S. aircraft carriers are sick, the U.S. is ill prepared to fight. I wonder what those same hawks will do if the U.S. is struggling with Covid while 1) antifa/Democrats are conducting their cultural revolution if Democrats win or 2) burning down cities if Trump wins again. Seeing the U.S. off balance might be irresistible to Chinese hawks bent on conquering Taiwan.

Trump has been better than previous presidents about not starting new wars. Bush promoted fears to pedal the Iraq war but Clinton and Obama just bombed the heck out of Serbia, Libya, and Syria without particularly stirring fears or even calling them wars. Meanwhile, neocons are gradually leaving the Republican Party disgusted with Trump and returning to the Democratic Party. Democrats should worry about this instead of endorsing the late John McCain and John Bolton. Think about it, brownshirt antifa attacking Democrats enemies in the cities and warmongers more and more at the helm of the Democratic Party.