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**Richard** · July-27-17, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Did you see the Twitter deleting spree he went on? His expressed admiration for Hillary Clinton, was pro-gun control, expressed concern over climate change, support for gay marriage, etc. All gone, down the Twitter "memory hole", 1984-style.

It's the typical Trump Admin tactic: If things you said in the past prove to be politically inconvenient today, just pretend like you never said them at all. Kind of like how Donald Trump was a pro-choice, pro-gun control, liberal Democrat his entire adult life right up until about 2011 or so when he started flirting with the idea of running for President as a Republican.

Yea,next thing they will be deleting thousands of emails and smashing hard drives to cover up the trail and haveing clandestine meetings on tarmacs in the middle of the night,the gull of it all.

**aj3647** · July-27-17, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Richard

Yea,next thing they will be deleting thousands of emails and smashing hard drives to cover up the trail and haveing clandestine meetings on tarmacs in the middle of the night,the gull of it all.

Whataboutism. Google it. Hillary Clinton didn't win the election, Trump did. Her misdeeds do not excuse the misdeeds of members of the Trump administration. Why do you feel the constant impulse to bring up her name every time Trump's names comes up? Just once, just once, can you just address the things that Trump and his people say and do without engaging in Whataboutism or red herrings or outright deflections?

If you want to talk about Hillary Clinton, start a thread about Hillary Clinton instead of constantly derailing a thread about things Donald Trump is doing today with shit Hillary Clinton did four years ago.

**oladub** · July-28-17, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Whataboutism. Google it. Hillary Clinton didn't win the election, Trump did. Her misdeeds do not excuse the misdeeds of members of the Trump administration. Why do you feel the constant impulse to bring up her name every time Trump's names comes up? Just once, just once, can you just address the things that Trump and his people say and do without engaging in Whataboutism or red herrings or outright deflections?

If you want to talk about Hillary Clinton, start a thread about Hillary Clinton instead of constantly derailing a thread about things Donald Trump is doing today with shit Hillary Clinton did four years ago.

Fair enough. Hillary's "misdeeds do not excuse the misdeeds of members of the Trump administration" such as attacking a Syrian airbase just hours after Hillary declared she would attack Syrian air bases [[plural). One problem of antiseptically dismissing Hillary's misdeeds is that they are part of the warp and weave of current news. If Hillary had used legal computer venues, for instance, her private and top secret communications might not have shown up on Wikileaks and have been twisted into the Russiagate narrative. Yesterday, we found out that one of the Awan brothers had spent seven hours visiting the White House. That was back in 2013 but these guys were IT specialists for Debbie Wasserman Schultz of DNC fame until a month ago and Rep Castro of Texas who was on the House Intelligence Committee. The Awan brothers are charged with accessing unauthorized computer files and theft. These brothers were paid over $4m by Democrats. Castro didn't fire him until February after the Trump administration began looking into the Awan brothers' activities. One of the Awan brothers was just arrested at an airport trying to flee to Pakistan after wiring $300,000 there. He and his wife were both trying to leave with $12,000. The actions and reactions of the Obama, Hillary, Schulz, Awan brothers crowd are still very much part of the news. Hillary even released a book yesterday. Obama continues to slam and undercut Trump. My point is that today's news is still very much alive with Mrs. Clinton and other denizens of the Obama administration, so it is difficult to address the Democratic Russiagate narrative without including their participation.

**aj3647** · July-28-17, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

One problem of antiseptically dismissing Hillary's misdeeds is that they are part of the warp and weave of current news. If Hillary had used legal computer venues, for instance, her private and top secret communications might not have shown up on Wikileaks and have been twisted into the Russiagate narrative.

That's great, except for the fact that Hillary Clinton's "private and top secret communications" DIDN'T end up on Wikileaks or get twisted into the Russian narrative. Are you confusing that with the Russian hack of John Podesta's emails or the Russian hack of the DNC server? Because those are entirely separate things from the Hillary private email server controversy [[which occurred four years before the Podesta and DNC hacks, while Hillary was Secretary of State). There's no evidence that anyone gained unauthorized access to Hillary Clinton's private email server and no one [[not wikileaks, nor the Russians) ever purported to have those emails, let alone release them.

Jesus Christ dude, you can't even get your Whataboutism correct.

Here, please educate yourself as to the difference between these things. They are not all the same thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillar...il_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_D...tee_email_leak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_emails

**oladub** · July-28-17, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by aj3647

That's great, except for the fact that Hillary Clinton's "private and top secret communications" DIDN'T end up on Wikileaks or get twisted into the Russian narrative.

"No evidence"?
"On March 16, 2016 WikiLeaks launched a searchable archive for over 30 thousand emails & email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was Secretary of State. The 50,547 pages of documents span from 30 June 2010 to 12 August 2014. 7,570 of the documents were sent by Hillary Clinton. The emails were made available in the form of thousands of PDFs by the US State Department as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request. The final PDFs were made available on March 3, 2017."

"In March 2015, it became publicly known that Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as United States Secretary of State, had used her family's private email server for official communications, rather than official State Department email accounts maintained on federal servers. Those official communications included thousands of emails which she marked unclassified that would retroactively be marked classified by the State Department." -from your first wikipedia link.

Thank you also for your other links reminding us of Debbie Wasserman Schultz's efforts to scuttle Sanders and of Podesta attacking Catholics. If Russia, Guccifer II, and Wikileaks were tempted to hack undefended servers like Obama did Merkel's telephone, at least we had some light shining on Hillary, the DNC, and Podesta.

Wasn't your premise that Hillary should be left out of conversations? Mine was that her actions, as well as that of her crowd, are intimately intwined with today's news.

**GMan** · July-28-17, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

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Wasn't your premise that Hillary should be left out of conversations? Mine was that her actions, as well as that of her crowd, are intimately intwined with today's news.

Stop reminding people of H.R.C. and her failed policies. It takes away from the Russian Collusion narrative.

**aj3647** · July-28-17, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by oladub

"No evidence"?
"On March 16, 2016 WikiLeaks launched a searchable archive for over 30 thousand emails & email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was Secretary of State. The 50,547 pages of documents span from 30 June 2010 to 12 August 2014. 7,570 of the documents were sent by Hillary Clinton. The emails were made available in the form of thousands of PDFs by the US State Department as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request. The final PDFs were made available on March 3, 2017."

Did you even bother to READ what you copy and pasted? Here, let me highlight that for you.

The emails were made available in the form of thousands of PDFs by the US State Department as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request. The final PDFs were made available on March 3, 2017.

The State Department released the emails to the public as part of a FOIA request on March 3. On March 16, Wikileaks [[along with the Wall Street Journal) created a search engine so people could keyword search those emails that had already been publicly released by the State Department two weeks earlier.

These emails were not hacked.

These emails were not stolen.

Wikileaks did not "release" them, only created a search engine so people could keyword search them.

The emails had nothing to do with Russia.

There was no sensitive or classified information in them [[the State Department would not have publicly released those as part of a FOIA request).

So please tell me, how in the blue fuck are Hillary Clinton's emails from five years ago connected to ANYTHING that is happening in the news today?

Besides, I thought the narrative by you guys on the Right was that "Russia didn't hack anyone, Russia didn't interfere?" So if Russia didn't do anything, how can the DNC and Podesta hacks be connected to the Russiagate narrative? If they're connected, then you are admitting that:
1) Russia interfered in the United States Presidential Election
2) They targeted the Democrats to deliberately help elect Donald J Trump

Can't have it both ways. Either they did or they didn't interfere.

**oladub** · July-29-17, 01:30 AM

aj, Did you even bother to READ the sentence that preceded the one you cut and pasted? I'll highlight it for you since it responded to your comment, “Hillary Clinton's "private and top secret communications" DIDN'T end up on Wikileaks or get twisted into the Russian narrative. “ Wrong-

On March 16, 2016 WikiLeaks launched a searchable archive for over 30 thousand emails & email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was Secretary of State.

Your last question was already answered in my post # 207. “If Hillary had used legal computer venues, for instance, her private and top secret communications might not have shown up on Wikileaks and have been twisted into the Russiagate narrative.” “ The actions and reactions of the Obama, Hillary, Schulz, Awan brothers crowd are still very much part of the news. Hillary even released a book yesterday. Obama continues to slam and undercut Trump. My point is that today's news is still very much alive with Mrs. Clinton and other denizens of the Obama administration, so it is difficult to address the Democratic Russiagate narrative without including their participation.”

It wasn’t just Hillary, Podesta, and the DNC’s inability to secure their computers leading to Russiagate of course. As Secretary of State, Hillary’s policies as implemented by Obama, caused hundreds of thousands of Arab deaths and millions of refugees that remain a problem. It is understandable that you want Hillary to be forgotten but to censor Hillary out of today’s news, when convenient, would be a difficult and Orwellian task.