Wayne State University bans smoking completely in all of its campuses.

**canuck** · August-22-15, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by G-DDT

Got to admit I was surprised by the response to this thread. When I saw the initial number of replies [[so far), I was quite sure it was from a number of pro-smoking types. Quite to the contrary.

Detroit has come a long way since the '90s. We used to have Camel representatives canvasing the whole Cass Corridor/Wayne State area from Alvins, to Zoot's, to the Majestic [[remember when the Gold Dollar had American Spirits in the vending machine?-y'know..,because "there better for you"-then say what?...not smoking at all?!) giving away free packs to every resident and C.C.S. student they could find. I used to firmly believe Detroit was a "F*ck You-I smoke" type of town.

Personally I don't miss the stuff [[my kidneys couldn't handle the crud). Yet, it makes me wonder
if they will teach this famous poem: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171767

I frankly didn't think the hand to mouth marketing was that aggressive but I am guessing that coupled with the high profile of more billboards pushing cigs in the ghettoes, this made for pretty handsome profits.

**Wesley Mouch** · August-22-15, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by canuck

I frankly didn't think the hand to mouth marketing was that aggressive but I am guessing that coupled with the high profile of more billboards pushing cigs in the ghettoes, this made for pretty handsome profits.

Progressives and other Compulsives should take care to not make smoking cool. Something countercultural.

**canuck** · August-22-15, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Progressives and other Compulsives should take care to not make smoking cool. Something countercultural.

Unprogressives and neo-cons should keep their arms and figers crossed hoping cigarette companies make a comeback?

**Farwell** · August-22-15, 02:24 PM

The best tip I ever received was to buy RJR at less than $20/share about 15 years ago and no I don't condone smoking and yes as long as it is a legal commodity I have zero problem investing for my retirement. Sorry no qualms or regrets.

**Wesley Mouch** · August-22-15, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

Unprogressives and neo-cons should keep their arms and figers crossed hoping cigarette companies make a comeback?

Cigarette smoking's decline has been social, not the result of 'bans'. Compulsion can destroy progress.

**canuck** · August-23-15, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Cigarette smoking's decline has been social, not the result of 'bans'. Compulsion can destroy progress.

You mean to say: if I were seated in a restaurant back in 1990 and wanted the couple at a table next to me to stop smoking, just ask politely? That's social.

Nowadays, I don't bother, it's smoke free by law, therefore banned. I don't have to tell you how much of.an incentive to stop this has been. I don't know, but I suspect making smokers have a harder time of it may help. All these folks having to cigarette break in January outside their workplace helps a little bit.

**Wesley Mouch** · August-23-15, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

You mean to say: if I were seated in a restaurant back in 1990 and wanted the couple at a table next to me to stop smoking, just ask politely? That's social.

Nowadays, I don't bother, it's smoke free by law, therefore banned. I don't have to tell you how much of.an incentive to stop this has been. I don't know, but I suspect making smokers have a harder time of it may help. All these folks having to cigarette break in January outside their workplace helps a little bit.

I recall hearing years ago that smoking by black teenagers, and later all teenagers was in
decline. Nobody knew why.

Was it the result of smoking bans? Or was social behavior ahead of the government? I don't know. And neither do those who think 'bans' are the best tool for social change.