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[Honky Tonk]

How many jobs will be created by the arena project?

a). None, they are jobs moved from the Joe to Midtown.

b). Many, many, too many to count, as the project becomes a 'Midtown transformational' project which leads to hundreds and hundreds of new jobs near the arena, Comerica, etc. as lower Midtown, Brush Park, etc. become reborn, in large part, because of the ENTIRE arena project.

And not to mention all of the HOUSING UNITS which will house people [[say 1.5 persons / HU) and do all of the great, great things residences are supposed to do for an area.

OTOH, the refinery had an opposite effect on neighborhoods.

The only environmental issue is all of the noise that happy fans produce after athletic events...

I like happy sports fans. Remember our 2006 World Series events. Crazy!!

Verdict: Arena, thumbs up; refinery, thumbs down.

Detroit wants a new arena, let Texas have the refineries...

I disagree. When people find out what a PITA it is living in the middle of sports town, they'll look elsewhere. As far as all the "money" generated, it'll end up like Penske's race track, $46 mil in, $45 mil out.

And when it was over, where did that leave us? SSDD.

[gumby]

I disagree. When people find out what a PITA it is living in the middle of sports town, they'll look elsewhere. As far as all the "money" generated, it'll end up like Penske's race track, $46 mil in, $45 mil out.

And when it was over, where did that leave us? SSDD.

Tell that to the people living in the Broderick Tower, Kales Building, Whitney Building, Fyfes Shoes Building and other buildings around the current Stadia. The PITA you mention doesn't seem to bother them. You know, it is almost like people have differing opinions on where they want to live and not everyone thinks the same way as you.

[Honky Tonk]

Tell that to the people living in the Broderick Tower, Kales Building, Whitney Building, Fyfes Shoes Building and other buildings around the current Stadia. The PITA you mention doesn't seem to bother them. You know, it is almost like people have differing opinions on where they want to live and not everyone thinks the same way as you.

Not everyone is fresh out of college and still in that Frat party state of mind either. Once people come to the conclusion income isn't indispensable, things change.

[dtowncitylover]

Not everyone is fresh out of college and still in that Frat party state of mind either. Once people come to the conclusion income isn't indispensable, things change.

So everyone that lives in those buildings are fresh out of college and frat boys and sorority girls? Huh, I would really love to know how you know that.

I don't think it's about living near a sports arena, it's about city living. And most times, city living means having to live on top of or near a sports arena and most people know that and deal with it. Games, especially hockey games, don't go into the wee hours of the mornings like a rave. I'm sure many buildings are built to soundproof the noise.

You don't want to live there, don't. Plain and simple.

[emu steve]

So everyone that lives in those buildings are fresh out of college and frat boys and sorority girls? Huh, I would really love to know how you know that.

I don't think it's about living near a sports arena, it's about city living. And most times, city living means having to live on top of or near a sports arena and most people know that and deal with it. Games, especially hockey games, don't go into the wee hours of the mornings like a rave. I'm sure many buildings are built to soundproof the noise.

You don't want to live there, don't. Plain and simple.

Man, you beat me to it.

I was going to hit a 'hanging slider' [["I disagree. When people find out what a PITA it is living in the middle of sports town, they'll look elsewhere.") 466 feet to dead center.

In a sentence, "[[as) these units aren't public housing, individuals will freely decide if they are or are not a good place to live; the housing market, not folks on a forum, will decide the issue."

The risk is borne by Ilitch Holdings.

As for me [[FWIW), I wouldn't like living amongst skyscrapers downtown, probably not next to Comerica or the arena, but probably in Brush Park. But then again, others can, and probably do, feel differently than me.

[Honky Tonk]

So everyone that lives in those buildings are fresh out of college and frat boys and sorority girls? Huh, I would really love to know how you know that.

I don't think it's about living near a sports arena, it's about city living. And most times, city living means having to live on top of or near a sports arena and most people know that and deal with it. Games, especially hockey games, don't go into the wee hours of the mornings like a rave. I'm sure many buildings are built to soundproof the noise.

You don't want to live there, don't. Plain and simple.

I never leave the house, I'm psychic. I totally agree with you. Now, can I have my tax dollars back from the stadium and extra police support the area gets?

[dtowncitylover]

I never leave the house, I'm psychic. I totally agree with you. Now, can I have my tax dollars back from the stadium and extra police support the area gets?

One, I'm not disagreeing about the tax dollars. The Illitches are sly people who have their hands up politicians...ahemm....However, extra police support is only done in Detroit? Extra police support around games is not unique to Detroit and is very much needed.

[Honky Tonk]

One, I'm not disagreeing about the tax dollars. The Illitches are sly people who have their hands up politicians...ahemm....However, extra police support is only done in Detroit? Extra police support around games is not unique to Detroit and is very much needed.

No, it's NOT only in Downtown and Midtown areas, however, during any sporting event, football, baseball, hockey, EXTRA policing is brought in to act as crossing guards, traffic cops, and protect those coming in to these events, @ N/C to the coliseum owners. The rest of the us, in "the other neighborhoods" have to do without, more so than usual.

[emu steve]

I disagree. When people find out what a PITA it is living in the middle of sports town, they'll look elsewhere. As far as all the "money" generated, it'll end up like Penske's race track, $46 mil in, $45 mil out.

And when it was over, where did that leave us? SSDD.

Maybe that is why Ilitch Holdings wanted to tear down those two RESIDENTIAL buildings adjacent to the new arena. They read HERE that living near sports facilities is a PITA...