Unless the Lowell's & Co. have sold the Bronx & Cliff Bells, you may have the wrong people in mind. This group of people has done much to maintain the area, and has roots there since the 80's. They catch the occasional flack, but have fixed up other buildings in the area, including the Blackstone, and even the Forest Arms [[geo-thermal, anyone?).

As for John's, I truly miss the Bell Isle location, as that was just another excuse to go to Belle Isle, and it really was a cozy dive, consisting of locals and the occasional tour bus. That the landlord tried to dramatically raise the rent, [[forcing John to leave and build his current location), and hasn't done shit to the building since then speaks to the habitual BS that is Detroit. I never quite got that same coziness at the new John's, but Steve behind the bar, and the food, keep us semi-regular. Hope the new owners have success there.