Lorax, Hartmann's Screwed

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "in other words, stash, a cooling cycle may begin, creating a situation where some will say "see I told you""

And a cooling cycle IS happening and many are saying it doesn't mean anything.

Who knows? and that is the problem, nobody really does.

[jiminnm]

You're exactly correct Stash, no one really knows if the earth is or is not in a long term warming trend, or why it is or isn't. Consensus is not science, and the correlation of increased "greenhouse" gases may or may not be causation.

For example, many years ago, Milankovitch posited that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles due to eccentricities in the earth's orbit and tiny shifts in the tilt of earth's axis. His model accurately corresponded to temperature changes over the last 450,000 years and has been embraced by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. Perhaps this is what is happening [[and perhaps these changes are related to polar shifts, a phenomenon that wasn't known when Milankovitch developed his model - we'll have big fun if that happens).
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...nkovitch_3.php

Lastly, for one to be convinced that global warming is happening, you must believe that the actual temperature data collected to provide the basis for the theory are valid. I suggest some research into how those temps have been and are actually gathered.