Could it be? Do we FINALLY have leadership that gets the job situation around here?

[Honky Tonk]

It certainly does look and sound hopeful, but we'll see how things shake out in a few months. I'm not a defender, but don't forget Bing worked under totally different circumstances. The City Council sat down, dug their heels in, and said "Hell no". Right now they're the silent majority. Orr gave Duggan a wide berth and free reign, [[to a point). He needs to take advantage of this time, to get his show together. We'll see what happens once the hounds are released.

[corktownyuppie]

It certainly does look and sound hopeful, but we'll see how things shake out in a few months. I'm not a defender, but don't forget Bing worked under totally different circumstances. The City Council sat down, dug their heels in, and said "Hell no". Right now they're the silent majority. Orr gave Duggan a wide berth and free reign, [[to a point). He needs to take advantage of this time, to get his show together. We'll see what happens once the hounds are released.

Exactly. It's hard to compare Bing and Duggan. When Bing was here, the EM was merely an abstract threat that no one thought would come to fruition. It was just obstacles at every pathway.

Duggan has the opposite, and it's an advantage. Let's band together to make it so that the EM is gone, and the best way to do that is to get results. Oh, and by the way, he has final authority, so let's save the obstructionism for another day and another time, everyone.

[jt1]

Exactly. It's hard to compare Bing and Duggan. When Bing was here, the EM was merely an abstract threat that no one thought would come to fruition. It was just obstacles at every pathway.

Duggan has the opposite, and it's an advantage. Let's band together to make it so that the EM is gone, and the best way to do that is to get results. Oh, and by the way, he has final authority, so let's save the obstructionism for another day and another time, everyone.

I don't agree with people giving Bing a pass. The guy did nothing to improve the budget, services, etc. He gets a pass from people locally but he didn't do squat. Impediments or not, much of the city declined under his watch.

It also doesn't help that he retained much of KKs staff.

[brizee]

I don't agree with people giving Bing a pass. The guy did nothing to improve the budget, services, etc. He gets a pass from people locally but he didn't do squat. Impediments or not, much of the city declined under his watch.

It also doesn't help that he retained much of KKs staff.

It's another myth in the making around these parts. Big bad city council hamstrung poor old Dave Bing.

The man was shit in hands incompetent.

Let's not sugarcoat just how HORRIBLE he was.

[Hermod]

Exactly. It's hard to compare Bing and Duggan. When Bing was here, the EM was merely an abstract threat that no one thought would come to fruition. It was just obstacles at every pathway.

Duggan has the opposite, and it's an advantage. Let's band together to make it so that the EM is gone, and the best way to do that is to get results. Oh, and by the way, he has final authority, so let's save the obstructionism for another day and another time, everyone.

If the EM law stays in place, strong mayors can use that as a club to overcome obstructionist or ineffective clownsils. The threat of reimposition of an EM should be able to bring the obstreporous kiddies to heel.

[Wesley Mouch]

It certainly does look and sound hopeful, but we'll see how things shake out in a few months. I'm not a defender, but don't forget Bing worked under totally different circumstances. The City Council sat down, dug their heels in, and said "Hell no". Right now they're the silent majority. Orr gave Duggan a wide berth and free reign, [[to a point). He needs to take advantage of this time, to get his show together. We'll see what happens once the hounds are released.

Hounds...? Maybe pigs...?

Bing may not have been the best, but the circumstances do matter. Taking on job as mayor on the heels of Kwame and roaring into EM/bankruptcy-land is about as bad a deck as can be dealt. A new captain for the Titanic AFTER the iceberg wouldn't have saved the ship. The Titanic sunk because of what happened BEFORE the iceberg was sighted. Good leadership includes reaction to circumstances, but more crucially includes making good decisions about how to detect icebergs.