State Wide Police Stings

**Ray1936** · May-21-09, 10:47 AM

My '08 Ford Escape has chimes that ring if your seat belt is not on when you start the car. About six chimes, and it stops for maybe 20 seconds. Then it does the same thing. On the third time, the chimes bong at a double rate, as though the car is pissed off at you. Pretty impossible to not use your seat belts in that car.

No prob, I swear by them, anyway. Although I confess I resisted them somewhat when they first came out 35 years back.

**ndavies** · May-21-09, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ray1936

My '08 Ford Escape has chimes that ring if your seat belt is not on when you start the car. About six chimes, and it stops for maybe 20 seconds. Then it does the same thing. On the third time, the chimes bong at a double rate, as though the car is pissed off at you. Pretty impossible to not use your seat belts in that car.

No prob, I swear by them, anyway. Although I confess I resisted them somewhat when they first came out 35 years back.

I wrote the software that does that about 10 years ago when I worked at Visteon. The Escape was the first vehicle to get it. It's in all of Ford's vehicles now. There is a way to disable it. It can be disabled for just the current key on cycle or you can permanently disable it. [[The directions to disable it are in the manual. Permanently disabling it involves latching and unlatching the seat belt a bunch of times with a specific combination of key cycles.)

It's nice to be able to point to something and say I made that. [[Even if it has to be one of the most annoying features ever put on a car.)

**Ray1936** · May-21-09, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by ndavies

I wrote the software that does that about 10 years ago when I worked at Visteon. The Escape was the first vehicle to get it. It's in all of Ford's vehicles now. There is a way to disable it. It can be disabled for just the current key on cycle or you can permanently disable it. [[The directions to disable it are in the manual. Permanently disabling it involves latching and unlatching the seat belt a bunch of times with a specific combination of key cycles.)

It's nice to be able to point to something and say I made that. [[Even if it has to be one of the most annoying features ever put on a car.)

Yeah, good job, Ndavies. And, no, I wouldn't disable it for the world. Sometimes my mind is elsewhere when I jump in the car and I appreciate the reminder.

And I'll just betcha if CheddarBob rides a motorcycle, he doesn't even own a helmet. I could tell him how a helmet saved my life at Eight Mile and Southfield in '73, but he wouldn't want to hear it.

cheddar bob · May-21-09, 04:36 PM

Nope, I don't ride a motorcycle. I don't know if I'd wear a helmet it I did, but I can appreciate states that would let me make the decision. I like Florida's way of doing it. If you have health insurance, you can ride without a helmet. I think that's a fair compromise. Maybe we could do that here with seatbelts. Think me not wearing a seatbelt affects you? STFU, I have health insurance.

**Ltdave** · May-21-09, 04:59 PM

we have speed limits for our protection as well. Driving is a privilege, not a right. To be able to drive, one must follow the rules,

first, speed limits are NOT for our protection. they are a restriction on the movement of traffic, to the benefit of REVENUE generation for local communities...

secondly, youre right. DRIVING is a priviledge, TRAVELING is a RIGHT. since it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to cause a citizen to 'pay a fee and obtain a license' in order to exercise a right, DRIVING is a right. the FEDERAL definition of DRIVING is to OPERATE a MOTOR VEHICLE upon public roadways for the manner of transporting goods or persons FOR PAY...

i seriously doubt we have more than 2% of the members here who DRIVE...

since all the way back to the days of the formation of our nation, the RIGHT to TRAVEL UNENCUMBERED, the breadth and width of our country has been the keystone of our republic...

also, in michigan you dont have a drivers license. they try to 'blind' you by calling it an OPERATORs LICENSE. what are you OPERATING? a MOTOR VEHICLE? by using any of these terms you are stepping right into their world and making yourself subject to their rules. come back to Common Law using Common Law terms and free yourself from the grasp of the government...

youll notice that the back of your Motor Vehicle Registration is NOW says you have to sign if its a COMMERCIAL vehicle. i dont own any of those so mine are signed. i own a car and three motorcycles...

if you dont live or play in their world, then their papers have no effect on you. and i know this because ive NOT been ticketed by Sheriff Deputies, State Troopers and City Police. well except in Warren where they ticket regardless of the truth or law. that requires a court visit and then an appeal. its not easy being free but its worth it in the long run. well except in Warren where when you stick their noses in it, they dont seem to get the point...

**Gistok** · May-21-09, 05:28 PM

When you get an auto insurance policy, they ask you if you wear your seatbelts.

Folks who answer yes, but then don't wear them, should be come ineligible for medical care covered by the insurance when they get into an accident.

As for the "damaged seatbelt" excuse for not wearing one... if your seatbelt "click-in" gets damaged, they your body has likely already sustained catastrophic injury because the "click-in's" proximity is very close to your major organs.

**Detroitej72** · May-21-09, 06:51 PM

Until I read this thread, I never realized seat belts were as controversial as abortion!

cheddar bob · May-21-09, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

When you get an auto insurance policy, they ask you if you wear your seatbelts.

Folks who answer yes, but then don't wear them, should be come ineligible for medical care covered by the insurance when they get into an accident.

Why would my medical insurance be ineligible? At work, I have to have medical insurance whether I want it or not and they have never once asked me if I wear a seatbelt.

Originally Posted by Gistok

if your seatbelt "click-in" gets damaged, they your body has likely already sustained catastrophic injury because the "click-in's" proximity is very close to your major organs.

Maybe, maybe not. That's an assumption on your part and I don't want to base the decisions in my life on Gistok's assumptions.

9mile&seneca · May-22-09, 11:03 AM

I think people should have to wear a NASCAR approved crash helmet while operating or riding in a motor vehicle. It would make us safer. And if one were to really think about it, people shouldn't be able to ride motorcycles. I'm sure that my level of safety unbelted in my full size pickup truck in the event of a crash is much greater than a motorcyclist. So, why are motorcycles legal?

**Ray1936** · May-22-09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by 9mile&seneca

So, why are motorcycles legal?

I dunno. Why are pedestrians allowed outside the house? But I suspect you speak tongue-in-cheek, 9mile.

**misstjohn1** · May-26-09, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by 9mile&seneca

I think people should have to wear a NASCAR approved crash helmet while operating or riding in a motor vehicle. It would make us safer. And if one were to really think about it, people shouldn't be able to ride motorcycles. I'm sure that my level of safety unbelted in my full size pickup truck in the event of a crash is much greater than a motorcyclist. So, why are motorcycles legal?

That is to damn funny.