What's the deal with Club Envy, Kingdom, et al?

**Schoolcraft** · May-06-11, 12:27 PM

I've been in a couple of these clubs before and everybody gets frisked. Unless you're slipping $500 to the people at the door, you're not getting in the club with a weapon. Not only that but 9 out of 10 clubs these days has some type of dress code that they enforce...

With that said, there ARE people who probably come downtown, not to go inside the clubs, but to hang out outside to wait for women to come out, blast music and to start fights with whoever. Those people are usually independent of the clubs. What's the solution? I don't know, maybe much stricter punishments for those caught with guns with no license?

**Bham1982** · May-06-11, 12:29 PM

How on earth can someone go to a club with a gun? Don't most folks go to find attractive folks, to dance, and to have fun? In what way does carrying a bulky concealed loaded weapon add to the evening?

I don't blame the clubs, really. I don't think they can stop this idiocy. It's the demographic attending these clubs.

**Johnnny5** · May-06-11, 09:40 PM

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...hot-and-killed

GUSHI · May-06-11, 09:55 PM

That sad , what a waste of a young mans life..

Originally Posted by Johnnny5

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...hot-and-killed

**English** · May-06-11, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by mallory

"Upscale hip-hop" Isn't that an oxymoron?

I was the house DJ for over 2 years at the old Tangerine Room in the warehouse district. Never a gun, people dressed up, even the Pistons hung out there. Now most clubs are full of thugs. I'll pass thanks. Guess I'm just old.

Yeah, me too. I meant "upscale hip-hop" as in "I've been to hip-hop clubs outside of Detroit that were in richer cities and were [[or at least seemed) perfectly safe." I mean, older black professionals in their 30s and early 40s listen to hip-hop. I know I wish I'd been at the Jay-Z and Eminem concert at Comerica Park last year... what a ticket! I also loved the hip-hop club that was inside the old Greektown Casino. My sister and I went with some friends to their opening.

None of that makes me identify with the crowd outside of Envy at 2 am. And yet, the kid who died was the relative of a friend... heard the news on Facebook before it hit the news.

drippyhollows · May-07-11, 12:36 AM

the deal with club envy? Well... Detroit undeniably has a certain culture about it. A culture of drug transactions and violence. Something like 400 homicides a year, I have heard varying statistics. 70% being drug related seems to stick out. Club Envy caters to this crowd. I would expect this is one of those spots. Im sure they sell plenty of Dom and Cristal every night they are open. Charge a lot for drinks. So rivals cross paths and it spills out to the streets downtown.

**stinkytofu** · May-07-11, 12:55 AM

I walked by Envy at lunch today and was all excited since I saw a UHAUL truck in front. I asked a worker there and he just said they were cleaning up, not moving out. I was disappointed.

**gnome** · May-07-11, 07:05 AM

Seems the victim was attending Indiana University on a ride, and committed a strong arm robbery.

An Indiana University football player was arrested Thursday on preliminary charges related to a strong-arm robbery reported Wednesday night.

Courtney Cortez Alan Smith, 18, faces preliminary charges of robbery and burglary, both B-felonies. Lazell C. McClellon, 19, faces preliminary charges of robbery, burglary, false informing, battery on a police officer and resisting law enforcement.

Smith is a freshman cornerback for the IU Hoosiers. ...

http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/?p=2780

Looks different in the morning

**R8RBOB** · May-07-11, 09:57 AM

Just reading this thread makes me feel so old. [[Ha, I'm only 40) However, I miss the old Detroit. What do I mean the old Detroit? Old Detroit was when you had The Greektown bars [[Athens Bar, The Oyster Bar, the Greektown Bar, Marilyn's on Monroe, the Music Menu Cafe) and you go in and hear live bands or karaoke or watch the Red Wings win their first Stanley Cup or admire the building that housed Marilyn's. It was going to Legends before it got ghettoed out. It was going to RiverTown and hanging out in Feathers or BC or the Rhino or the Soup Kitchen or else Bastille's on Orleans and Jefferson. It was a hole in the wall but you could enjoy a bottle of beer. Leaving out of downtown you had the Union Shop and the Pierson House on Plymouth. Old Detroit had establishments that you wanted to be in. Now, today that is not the case. Every bar I listed is closed and disappeared from the scene. I cannot in good conscience go to Club Envy or any other rathole that promotes violence. Like the next man, I like to look and young beautiful women but I can't see myself going into bars where gunplay is more desired than having a good time like the old days.