Drastic Cuts Proposed For Detroit Schools

[Zacha341]

Question [[primary to the issue yet not addressed): Why does the DPS deficit 'CONTINUE TO GROW' [[now at $327 million) under Bobb's leadership as EFM?

He [Steve Wasco DPS representative] also said the plan is based on a student population of 58,000 students, instead of the current 74,000, because it's expected the parents will transfer their children to other districts.

[[Oh, duh! What parent would send their kids to DPS with its continual [[now officially SCHEDULED) decline [[eh-er 'restructuring' down to set up with 60 students per class etc.). So again the 'death of a thousand cuts....' DPS is going away...... who's really interested in the kids of Detroit? Are the charters ready? The outer ring suburb districts...?

Article:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/educat...13/detail.html

DETROIT -- State education officials have ordered the emergency financial manager for Detroit Public Schools, Robert Bobb, to immediately implement a plan that balances the district's books by closing half its schools. Watch: State Proposes Drastic Cuts For Detroit Schools District spokesman Steve Wasko said state Superintendent of Public Instruction Mike Flanagan has approved a debit elimination plan created by Bobb that includes closing schools, teacher and staff layoffs and increasing the number of students in a classroom to nearly 60.

Bobb filed his deficit elimination plan with the state in January, saying it would wipe out the district's $327 million deficit by 2014.

The plan also includes no bus service for a large part of the student population, general cuts to extracurricular activities and regional principals instead of one in each school.

Wasko said the cuts are will be a hard loss for students.

"Clearly, those are not preferable educationally. It would not be a better DPS education," he said. "That's why we're working day and night to find an alternative."

Wasko said the implementation of the budget cuts would be gradual over the next three years. He also said the plan is based on a student population of 58,000 students, instead of the current 74,000, because it's expected the parents will transfer their children to other districts.

The Detroit Teachers Union is against the plan.

Angela Goines is the mother of two DPS students.

"It puts a lot of agony in my heart because these babies are really not having a full opportunity to a fair education," she said.

Bobb was hired in March 2009 by then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm. His term is set to end in June.

Full Interview: Detroit Schools Financial Manager Robert Bobb

[NorthEndere]

Does the State of Michigan have a webpage where one can view the monthly financial reports for emergency financial managers?

Anyway, another question, does anyone think this is more a plan to scare the unions into huge concessions more than it is to actual implement such an unprecendented plan? You implement this plan, and if you thought the exodus from DPS has been huge in the recent pass, just wait until the plan is implemented and we began ratcheting up classroom sizes to 60 students per teacher on average. Logistically, this is going to be damned-near impossible. In some schools, that will be impossible.

I honestly can't tell if this is a threat of if they think they can actually get away with this. What's the point in killing the deficit so quickly if you're going to entirely destroy the school district in the process? Honestly, where have all these children gone and where will they go? There is not enough school space in the entire metro area to absorb these all of these kids [[thousands upon thousands), particularly when even more well-off districts are closing schools to deal with their own deficits, nor is their a charter school infrastructure large enough within the district to handle to influx.

I guess this is the real meaning or "right-sizing." You know, you chase all of your residents and families away outside of the metro area, and then ultimately out side of the state. This gives new meaning to "we had to burn the village to save the village."

[rencense]

I keep praying this is either some kind of joke or threat to strongarm the unions/teachers/admins whatever.

You can't teach sixty students at a time, especially when those students need extra attention to succeed. I'm certainly no teacher but I can't imagine how they'd pull this off.

Why not just set up a big powerpoint presentation at the fox explaining to all these kids why their leaders have condemned you to a fucking joke of an educational system through no fault of your own. Maybe have weekly seminars about how to run a successful crackhouse or be a first rate hooker since thats what so many will have to look forward too instead of college and a comfortable life.

If you think the media is having fun with Detroit lately, wait til they see sixty some kids crammed into an undersized cinderblock room like some wartime soviet video.

Sorry I'm just really upset to hear stuff like this. These kids literally are our future but evidently even they are disposable. I sure hope the people in charge come up with something workable soon.

[Lowell]

... and increasing the number of students in a classroom to nearly 60

Might as well shut down the whole system. Students and parents will either flee or fight. Problem is that there is no place for 70K students to suddenly go to. We may be seeing our own version of Tahrir Square or Madison.

I think it would also present grounds for denial of equal opportunity suits.

[bailey]

Might as well shut down the whole system. Students and parents will either flee or fight. Problem is that there is no place for 70K students to suddenly go to. We may be seeing our own version of Tahrir Square or Madison.

No you won't. People would actually have to care, which, clearly by the current condition of DPS, they don't. This will happen. It will be a train wreck. And not a damn thing will happen except maybe some BAMNers throwing grapes.

I think it would also present grounds for denial of equal opportunity suits.

I think what you meant was equal protection. however, there is no merit to that argument. It's not like everyone NOT going to Cass tech is getting the shaft. It's the entire school district having to adjust it's costs to match revenue. And it's not just detroit. This is happening state wide.

Kids 15 miles away playing Jai Alai while these kids don't have books or toilet paper? That is insane. Want a REAL solution? Merge all the Metro Detroit school districts into one. Or simply start cross-district busing. Then people will show some concern for these kids.

It's interesting how the most often bandied about solution around here is for Detroit to seize assets from the suburbs. You want DPS to stop losing students and stabilize its revenue, start with banning "schools of choice".

[Melocoton]

I think what you meant was equal protection. however, there is no merit to that argument. It's not like everyone NOT going to Cass tech is getting the shaft. It's the entire school district having to adjust it's costs to match revenue. And it's not just detroit. This is happening state wide.

So, you're saying that Detroit and suburban schools are separate, but equal?

[bailey]

So, you're saying that Detroit and suburban schools are separate, but equal?

Detroit and suburban schools are separate because they are DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS. Whether or not they are "equal" is irrelevant.

[GOAT]

Might as well shut down the whole system. Students and parents will either flee or fight. Problem is that there is no place for 70K students to suddenly go to. We may be seeing our own version of Tahrir Square or Madison.

I think it would also present grounds for denial of equal opportunity suits.

Detroit could only hope, but I doubt anyone will assemble. Apathy knows no bounds.

[English]

Saw this yesterday. All the Live Midtown incentives and Whole Foods in the world won't make up for this blow to Detroit. You can't even call this "third world" -- even the developing world prioritizes education more than we do.

I'm wondering if this action can be challenged on legal grounds. It seems to be a clear violation of Brown vs. Board.

[Zacha341]

Exactly.... so to hell with all the 'kumbayah' Bill Cosby's in town ring-around-the-possey we love the kids mess news and press releases etc. SOMETHING 'REALLY' STINKS IN ALL OF THIS... and some are being torn off big time financially and we can't say it's the big bad wolf Republicans 100% again.... The lead up to this has been under Democratic oversite... though Snyder can and will carry the water ala his expected response. So it all fits so neatly AS EXPECTED! Everyone playing their respective role.

BOTTOM LINE: We're being SHOWN how much Detroit children are valued in this action/ threat. AGAIN the question un-answered: WHY does the deficit 'continue' to escalate under Bobb? Who're the new vendors and consultants? The fiscal tit of DPS still being sucked heartily withstanding the rhetoric. Who are the new 'anointed' and appointed sucklings? And now the cow is being threatened with slaughter once the last approved invoices process?

I do not want to stay in Detroit much longer behind the ugly fall out this will have on the next generation. I am out of here!

Saw this yesterday. All the Live Midtown incentives and Whole Foods in the world won't make up for this blow to Detroit. You can't even call this "third world" -- even the developing world prioritizes education more than we do.

I'm wondering if this action can be challenged on legal grounds. It seems to be a clear violation of Brown vs. Board.

[Det_ard]

Maybe we can just wait for superman.

[bailey]

I'm wondering if this action can be challenged on legal grounds. It seems to be a clear violation of Brown vs. Board.

How so? Are there any black children being told they can not attend Cass Tech [[it's for white/asians/hispanics only), but MLK is a separate but perfectly equal alternative?

Brown stopped "de jure" segregation. It stopped the School District from acting to separate the races. It may be that there is "de facto" segregation in SeM, but that is outside the bounds of any constitutional review as the State has not mandated it nor authorized it.

[rjk]

Maybe they plan to have half the kids sit on shoulders of the other half.
It certainly would be a space saver.

[East Detroit]

Would be interesting to see which schools remained open... perhaps a tip of the hat to Bing's consolidation plan.

However, the ridiculous notion that these kids should suffer while other districts flush with money from local millages are looking down at them is reprehensible. Further, the lottery scam where money simply replaces general budget money for schools, rather than enhances the budget, is a total farce.

Kids 15 miles away playing Jai Alai while these kids don't have books or toilet paper? That is insane. Want a REAL solution? Merge all the Metro Detroit school districts into one. Or simply start cross-district busing. Then people will show some concern for these kids.

[oladub]

Kids 15 miles away playing Jai Alai while these kids don't have books or toilet paper? That is insane. Want a REAL solution? Merge all the Metro Detroit school districts into one. Or simply start cross-district busing. Then people will show some concern for these kids.

Court ordered bussing was an important reason whites left Detroit. Do you think suburban whites would allow their children to be bussed into Detroit Public Schools? They would move to Grayling or start their own private 'academies' first.

I'm wondering if more corporations couldn't be encouraged to kick in support and sponsor eg. the charter Apple or Ford Elementary School where they could oversee the operation of their own school.

I always get shot down on this site for another idea. Thirty or more square block areas of Detroit could be sold to developers and made into walled communities large enough to accommodate 7-50,000 residents with condos, private schools, shopping, private security, etc. Detroit would be able to tax such communities at its usual high rate. Such areas would relieve the City of most police and educational cost but raise immense tax revenues to support police, DPS schools, and other city services. It's a win-win situation and is a step up from mayor Bing's proposals to abandon parts of the City.

[R8RBOB]

As a product of DPS, it is sad to know that the state has given approval to destroy the public school system in Detroit. We know the schools in Detroit were flawed. Teachers were more/less babysitters to unruly children, school buildings were outdated and thieves were ravaging the school system taking anything that wasn't nailed down. Now the state says, "hey let's close half of the schools and herd the school children into the remaining schools and lets increase the size of the classes to 60. You are a teacher and having 30 badasses was enough of an headache now the state says hey we will give you 30 more badasses and oh...the pay stay the same. The state tells the principals, "oh you are going to get more students but we aren't building any new buildings so you will have to make do with the resources you have.

This will not work out well for the city of Detroit. More and more residents will take their children out of public schools and DPS will cease to exist.

[Zacha341]

And if the charters are smug about the demise of DPS that too will change. As it stands now to a certain level they get to hand pick the kids they want... if DPS goes down they will have to absorb a larger number and they will not have the ability to 'toss' back the truant and kids 'after' count day. What a mess. And the fallout on this generation will be devastating. And what of the buildings being built per the funding that was past last year. Are those to be handed over to the charters?

As a product of DPS, it is sad to know that the state has given approval to destroy the public school system in Detroit. We know the schools in Detroit were flawed. Teachers were more/less babysitters to unruly children, school buildings were outdated and thieves were ravaging the school system taking anything that wasn't nailed down. Now the state says, "hey let's close half of the schools and herd the school children into the remaining schools and lets increase the size of the classes to 60. You are a teacher and having 30 badasses was enough of an headache now the state says hey we will give you 30 more badasses and oh...the pay stay the same. The state tells the principals, "oh you are going to get more students but we aren't building any new buildings so you will have to make do with the resources you have.

This will not work out well for the city of Detroit. More and more residents will take their children out of public schools and DPS will cease to exist.

[Buy American]

Am I wrong or wasn't the Michigan Lottery designated to schools? Is anyone giving an accounting of where that money goes? Like Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true". Something smells really fishy here in Michigan and it isn't the Asian Carp.

[Zacha341]

AGAIN I WILL STATE: SOMETHING 'REALLY' STINKS IN ALL OF THIS... and some are being torn off big time financially! We've been bambozzeled and SOMEBODIES GETTING PAID! Ala the supreme party: the "Party of Self Interest"!

Am I wrong or wasn't the Michigan Lottery designated to schools? Is anyone giving an accounting of where that money goes? Like Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true". Something smells really fishy here in Michigan and it isn't the Asian Carp.

[hermousefriday]

Am I wrong or wasn't the Michigan Lottery designated to schools? Is anyone giving an accounting of where that money goes? Like Judge Judy says, "if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true". Something smells really fishy here in Michigan and it isn't the Asian Carp.

Good point. I wonder how they decide where exactly the money goes. It would make sense to put it towards emergency cases, like this.

Anyone know what schools are closing? This is disturbing. 60 students per class? Aren't they trying to get more kids to go to school? What a joke.

[mwilbert]

The vast majority of the money spent by the DPS comes from the state, including money from the lottery and the sales tax. The problem is that the amount declines as the number of kids in the system declines, and the number of kids has declined precipitously over the past decade. Despite all the schools that they have closed, they haven't been able to get the costs of running a too-large system down to where the money they have available can cover it. As far as I can see, the slash-and-burn plan being proposed is essentially an attempt to get ahead of the curve, making the system about the right size after they lose another 20000 kids.

Even if they manage that, it won't do anything to cause people to learn stuff in the schools, but they might not have a deficit.

[NorthEndere]

The problem is that the amount declines as the number of kids in the system declines, and the number of kids has declined precipitously over the past decade.

I think this needs to be repeated, because the original poster kept asking again and again why the system is still running a deficit, kind of not even really subtly implying that Bobb is as much a crook as the school board was. At the end of the day, DPS is losing over 8,000 pupils a year, on average, meaning that in any given year it may actually be more than that. A HUGE part of local district budgets is based on per pupil funding. It is no secret then, with Detroit being one of the fastest shrinking districts in the state [[if not the fastest shrinking) that even if they were to plug up all kinds of corruption holes and cut like hell they'd still be in a hole just because of the loss of students.

DPS needs to do two things, one of which they are already doing: make it known to the public and the union that they will go forward with this plan if they have to to get some major concessions, and then there will have to be an increase in the millage. There just isn't any way around it if they want a DPS, and that is actually a big if because we're getting to the point of where the district will be so small that it'll simply cease to exist a big city school district.

[mwilbert]

I doubt they will try to get a millage increase because:

1) It is unlikely to pass.
2) Or it wouldn't raise an important amount of money.

Because such a large portion of the Detroit schools budget doesn't come from the property tax, I strongly suspect that a millage big enough to make a difference in the school budget is too big for people to accept. And few people believe that giving the DPS more money would accomplish anything.besides helping balance their budget, if that. I certainly don't.

[DetroitDad]

The vast majority of the money spent by the DPS comes from the state, including money from the lottery and the sales tax. The problem is that the amount declines as the number of kids in the system declines, and the number of kids has declined precipitously over the past decade. Despite all the schools that they have closed, they haven't been able to get the costs of running a too-large system down to where the money they have available can cover it. As far as I can see, the slash-and-burn plan being proposed is essentially an attempt to get ahead of the curve, making the system about the right size after they lose another 20000 kids.

Even if they manage that, it won't do anything to cause people to learn stuff in the schools, but they might not have a deficit.

Huh, so is this the only reason they are proposing this; to close the budget gap? Is little to no thought actually going towards the children?

[R8RBOB]

Detroit Public Schools

???? - 2011 RIP