The Patriot Act Makes ME Feel Safer [[cuz I'm a sheeple..)

DetroitDad · May-06-09, 08:59 PM

16 year old busted for alleged bomb threat, and stripped of due process under "Patriot Act"

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867

"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not.

Her argument was ignored, she said. Agents seized a computer, a cell phone, gaming console, routers, bank statements and school records, according to federal search warrants.

"There were no bomb-making materials, not even a blasting cap, not even a wire," Lundeby said.

Ashton now sits in a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind. His mother has had little access to him since his arrest. She has gone to her state representatives as well as attorneys, seeking assistance, but, she said, there is nothing she can do.

Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights."

DetroitDad · May-06-09, 09:06 PM

http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w93.html

It's been said that a lie is a poor way to say "hello." It is also the standard greeting one receives from government employees, particularly those who carry guns.

Around 10:00 p.m. on March 5, a wolf-pack of armed men gathered at the front door of the Lundeby family's home in Oxford, North Carolina.

When she answered the doorbell, Annette was greeted with the sight of a State Highway Patrolman who introduced himself with a lie. Things went dramatically downhill from there.

"He told me that my son Ashton had committed a hit-and-run with somebody's car," Annette told Pro Libertate in a phone interview. "I said, 'No, that's not true – it was exactly the reverse; he was on the receiving end of a hit-and-run, and that was last January.'"

The State Trooper's lie was a pretext to rouse the home-schooled teenager from bed and bring him to the doorstep. Once the falsehood shattered against Mrs. Lundeby's polite resolve, however, the pretense was dropped and roughly a dozen armed men in body armor stormed into her home....

ccbatson · May-08-09, 12:23 AM

Those lies were designed to keep calm in a situation in which the agents in the field were under the impression that they were dealing with someone potentially dangerous. The purpose was to accomplish the mission with the least likelihood of violence and apprehend a suspect [[rather than incite a potentially violent scene).

**d.mcc** · May-08-09, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Those lies were designed to keep calm in a situation in which the agents in the field were under the impression that they were dealing with someone potentially dangerous. The purpose was to accomplish the mission with the least likelihood of violence and apprehend a suspect [[rather than incite a potentially violent scene).

So you can manipulate someone into forfeiting their rights???

**oladub** · May-08-09, 08:52 AM

Wired Magazine reports that this kid actually was making bomb threats to schools.

Teenage Bomb Threat Suspect Was Internet Prank-Call Star

ccbatson · May-09-09, 04:55 PM

He forfeited his rights by his actions...not by way of the enforcement of the appropriate laws governing those actions.

ccbatson · May-31-09, 11:42 PM

Expanding government has always led to declines in quality of life for it's citizens. Not mutually exclusive with destruction? Are you sure?

**jams** · June-01-09, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Expanding government has always led to declines in quality of life for it's citizens. Not mutually exclusive with destruction? Are you sure?

Hmmm, including the Interstate system?

Zoning?

**rb336** · June-01-09, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by jams

Hmmm, including the Interstate system?

Zoning?

Bats thinks it should be perfectly OK for me to build a smelter right next to his house

DetroitDad · June-01-09, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jams

Hmmm, including the Interstate system?

Zoning?

That's a poor example. Have you seen the garbage buildings and parking lot oasis' that lead to?

**rb336** · June-01-09, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Expanding government has always led to declines in quality of life for it's citizens. Not mutually exclusive with destruction? Are you sure?

ah, yes. sounds like someone who has never been to sweden, denmark, norway, france...

**mjs** · June-01-09, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Expanding government has always led to declines in quality of life for it's citizens. Not mutually exclusive with destruction? Are you sure?

I knew you knew the war in Iraq was a mistake.

**oladub** · June-01-09, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Expanding government has always led to declines in quality of life for it's citizens. Not mutually exclusive with destruction? Are you sure?

Not 'always'. Even though governments collectively killed more of their own citizens than those of wartime enemies during the 20th Century, government does produce some good things. Even the Soviet Union created the Bolshoi Ballet.

Our Constitution recognizes and authorizes the role of government to carry out a limited number of specified government functions while guaranteeing our individual rights. Were it observed, we wouldn't be entangled in so many wars and in national bankruptcy. To the extent that corruption exists, government will not work for the common good or be capable of efficiency. If Sweden elected the guys we elect, Sweden would be running huge debts policing the world, instead of something else, too.