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    Default When will the Wings get a Winter Classic?

    Watching the slushy battle of PIT/WAS yesterday for the 2nd time in 3 years, I'm wondering why Bettman hasn't proposed playing in the D yet. CoPa seems to be the perfect place to have a game and I'm sure Illitch wouldn't mind bringing more attention to his beloved team and bringing the action closer to Foxtown. Who do I make the letter out to?

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    The Wings played in Chicago at Wrigley Field just a couple of years ago. Neither Montreal nor Toronto has hosted the event nor has New York City. It will be at least several years before the game comes to Detroit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9606 Prest View Post
    The Wings played in Chicago at Wrigley Field just a couple of years ago.
    They both wore beautiful throwback jerseys for that game, the Wings in the Cougars original Olde English "D"

    & the first game of this type was the LA Kings vs NY Rangers in Vegas[[Caesar's Palace Parking Lot) in '91;
    http://www.mayorsmanor.com/2010/12/k...oor-games.html

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    Wouldn't be a bad idea, dont think you would be able to fill the place or have the number of fans they had yesterday, might have to give away some of those $5 faux pizza's. Horrible things those are...spend more money on improving the product instead of cramming millions of dollars of adversting down our throats like it's the best thing that ever invented by man. Those of you who have kids are all to familiar with the fund raising pizza kits as well....build your own cardboard pizza with ketchup, paper thin exta spicy pepperoni, and unflavored cheese...I would gladly take a Chef Boy R Dee boxed pizza kit any day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja!mz View Post
    Wouldn't be a bad idea, dont think you would be able to fill the place or have the number of fans they had yesterday, might have to give away some of those $5 faux pizza's. Horrible things those are...spend more money on improving the product instead of cramming millions of dollars of adversting down our throats like it's the best thing that ever invented by man. Those of you who have kids are all to familiar with the fund raising pizza kits as well....build your own cardboard pizza with ketchup, paper thin exta spicy pepperoni, and unflavored cheese...I would gladly take a Chef Boy R Dee boxed pizza kit any day...
    In other news White Castle doesn't serve Kobe Beef burgers and KFC doesn't Chicken Marsala. Why is this guy so butt hurt over something is not on topic and that should have absolutely no impact on his life whatsoever?

    Back on the actual subject, the Wings played the Winter Classic in 2009. In 2009 it was in Chicago with the Wings/Hawks, 2010 it was in Boston with the Flyers/Bruins and this year it was in Washington DC so I don't know where the Pit/Was game for the 2nd time in 3 years came from.

    2008 had the Pens/Sabers so I guess you might be upset with the Pens getting a 2nd game in 4 years but they have the poster child of the NHL playing for them so they are going to get pushed, get over it

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy123 View Post
    In other news White Castle doesn't serve Kobe Beef burgers and KFC doesn't Chicken Marsala. Why is this guy so butt hurt over something is not on topic and that should have absolutely no impact on his life whatsoever?

    Back on the actual subject, the Wings played the Winter Classic in 2009. In 2009 it was in Chicago with the Wings/Hawks, 2010 it was in Boston with the Flyers/Bruins and this year it was in Washington DC so I don't know where the Pit/Was game for the 2nd time in 3 years came from.

    2008 had the Pens/Sabers so I guess you might be upset with the Pens getting a 2nd game in 4 years but they have the poster child of the NHL playing for them so they are going to get pushed, get over it

    Butt hurt? ...uh yup...eating that pizza burns going in and coming out...I guess you knew that already....have another slice...

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    The best place in North America to have an outdoor NHL game was Tiger Stadium. No place could offer the fans a closer viewing experience. Now I know the people that attend these games are there for all the hoopla and are not concerned about how close they are to the action, but still, it would have been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downriviera View Post
    The best place in North America to have an outdoor NHL game was Tiger Stadium. No place could offer the fans a closer viewing experience. Now I know the people that attend these games are there for all the hoopla and are not concerned about how close they are to the action, but still, it would have been great.
    Too bad they tore that down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downriviera View Post
    The best place in North America to have an outdoor NHL game was Tiger Stadium. No place could offer the fans a closer viewing experience. Now I know the people that attend these games are there for all the hoopla and are not concerned about how close they are to the action, but still, it would have been great.
    Illitch tore it down, or was complicit in it being torn down.

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    thatguy123 Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja!mz View Post
    Butt hurt? ...uh yup...eating that pizza burns going in and coming out...I guess you knew that already....have another slice...
    U mad bro? You must be. I bet you got fired from a LC and now are all upset with them. That has to be it, there is no other reason someone would hold such anger against something that does not affect their life in any way

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy123 View Post
    U mad bro? You must be. I bet you got fired from a LC and now are all upset with them. That has to be it, there is no other reason someone would hold such anger against something that does not affect their life in any way
    You bet I'm mad I own one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja!mz View Post
    Wouldn't be a bad idea, dont think you would be able to fill the place or have the number of fans they had yesterday, might have to give away some of those $5 faux pizza's. Horrible things those are...spend more money on improving the product instead of cramming millions of dollars of adversting down our throats like it's the best thing that ever invented by man. Those of you who have kids are all to familiar with the fund raising pizza kits as well....build your own cardboard pizza with ketchup, paper thin exta spicy pepperoni, and unflavored cheese...I would gladly take a Chef Boy R Dee boxed pizza kit any day...
    There were an admittedly undercounted 85,000 people at the Big House a couple of weeks ago for a hockey game. I'd bet they would sell out Comerica Park, despite the inevitable sight-line issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartock View Post
    There were an admittedly undercounted 85,000 people at the Big House a couple of weeks ago for a hockey game. I'd bet they would sell out Comerica Park, despite the inevitable sight-line issues.
    Off topic, but it was not an "undercount". Guinness doesn't go along with the fraud that is the "big house"'s attendance numbers. Guinness, as was reported repeatedly, counts only the scanned/ validated tickets entering through the turn styles. They don't count the parking attendants, EMTs on standby, the ticket booth operators, the gate attendants, the teams, the coaching and training staff, the bands, the press, the vendors, security personnel, the janitorial staff, or people that bought a ticket but did not show up to inflate the total. Guinness is of the opinion that those who's job it is to be there are really not "attendees" for the record purposes and those who don't show up shouldn't be counted simply because they bought a ticket.

    Really a moot point because the honest number was still a record. But it does go to show what a fraud those attendance counts are every saturday.
    Last edited by bailey; January-03-11 at 09:57 AM.

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    I'm just waiting for a Dallas / Phoenix game on Jan 1st.
    ::looks around:: whut?

    Seriously though, I don't see the Wings getting another Winter Classic game any time soon. I figure next up will be Rangers / Isles [[someone else mentioned that) or Wild / Blues. Maybe the Devils might get tapped, but not the way Brodeur has been playing this season.

    The only reason Pittsburgh got to play again this year was to put Cindy on the national stage once again. But, Bettman's golden boy came up blank.

    Ok, quick poll. Who would love to see a snowball fight break out between the benches during the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bailey View Post
    Off topic, but it was not an "undercount". Guinness doesn't go along with the fraud that is the "big house"'s attendance numbers. Guinness, as was reported repeatedly, counts only the scanned/ validated tickets entering through the turn styles. They don't count the parking attendants, EMTs on standby, the ticket booth operators, the gate attendants, the teams, the coaching and training staff, the bands, the press, the vendors, security personnel, the janitorial staff, or people that bought a ticket but did not show up to inflate the total. Guinness is of the opinion that those who's job it is to be there are really not "attendees" for the record purposes and those who don't show up shouldn't be counted simply because they bought a ticket.

    Really a moot point because the honest number was still a record. But it does go to show what a fraud those attendance counts are every saturday.
    The counts at The Big House may not be the most accurate, but anyone with two working eyeballs and/or glasses/contacts could look around and see that there were way more than 85,000 people in the stadium. I've been attending games there since childhood. Guinness numbers didn't add up no matter what methods they used.

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    How can you even see anything..thats no way watch a hockey game..put on your winter coat and sit in your back yard and listen to it on the radio, it will be just like you are there...

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    [quote=1KielsonDrive;211932]
    The counts at The Big House may not be the most accurate, but anyone with two working eyeballs and/or glasses/contacts could look around and see that there were way more than 85,000 people in the stadium
    of course if looking around and seeing an almost "full stadium" equals 100k+ attendance, then you'd be right. But if it never actually did mean that, if it actually meant that it was 80-90 k + 10-12k of vendors, parking attendants, security staff, press, teams, coaches, boy scout troops selling popcorn, AD staff, Police, EMT, marching bands, halftime show participants, and assorted invitees..... then you're working from a false assumption.
    . I've been attending games there since childhood. Guinness numbers didn't add up no matter what methods they used
    They add up because they used the actual number of ticketed attendees entering the gates. The question that should be asked is why is UM's fictitious number [[that includes people there to watch the game, anyone working anywhere on the premises, and apparently anyone that thought about attending the event that day) taken as gospel every week and Guinness' ACTUAL HARD COUNT of ticketed people going through the gates not?

    Or, perhaps someone should examine the apparent massively incompetent ticket takers at the stadium that failed to scan 20 thousand attendees?
    Last edited by bailey; January-03-11 at 02:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ja!mz View Post
    Wouldn't be a bad idea, dont think you would be able to fill the place or have the number of fans they had yesterday, might have to give away some of those $5 faux pizza's. Horrible things those are...spend more money on improving the product instead of cramming millions of dollars of adversting down our throats like it's the best thing that ever invented by man. Those of you who have kids are all to familiar with the fund raising pizza kits as well....build your own cardboard pizza with ketchup, paper thin exta spicy pepperoni, and unflavored cheese...I would gladly take a Chef Boy R Dee boxed pizza kit any day...
    FYI:
    Little Caesars
    Promotion: HOT-N-READY Pizza – Get one 14-inch large cheese or pepperoni pizza for $5 at participating locations.
    Pre-promotion price: $10.99 [[one large one-topping pizza)
    Promotion Price: $5
    Bottom line for restaurant: Profit of roughly 90 cents a pizza
    Introduced six years ago, Little Ceasars [sic]HOT-N-READY Pizza promotion offers 14-inch cheese and pepperoni pies for just $5. Even though some stores charge about 55 cents more than that, margins are still slim. The cost of a single pizza’s ingredients and packaging amounts to about $3.50, according to a franchise operator in Georgia. Tack on another 60 cents for rent, labor and utilities and franchisees earn roughly 90 cents a pie. Little Caesars’ spokeswoman Colleen Kmiecik says the company’s own calculation on per-item profitability differs from those provided to us by franchisees, but she declined to provide specific figures. She also says the company provides long-term profitability information to its franchisees to show how the promotion will boost their bottom line, but would not provide further details.


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    The ultimate game would be the Wings and the Habs at the Big House

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    The ultimate game would be the Wings and the Habs at the Big House
    Yup I'm all for that, The Big O in Montreal is not the greatest venue for that and apart from Saputo or Molson Stadium, the options are limited. The weather in Detroit would also be colder and better suited to this event than the Pitts? We have had a spell of warm weather here though this week like Detroit, unusually mild.

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    How about Ford Field [[after it's conversion to a retractable roof stadium, a man can dream!)

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    Gary Bettman knows that Detroit Fans will eat whatever the NHL feeds them, and not even in spite of him, just because the Wings organization and fans are top notch. While the rest of the league flounders, and unjustifiably located teams such as Atlanta and Phoenix, [[which can't give tickets away and are propped up financially by our own ticket sales), the Saviour Red Wings will visit these places and Wings fans will show up. Hell, if they're really lucky, we'll even get to eliminate these teams in the first round of the playoffs, irrationally justifying a reason to keep hockey in Phoenix, while prospective buyers [[with cash) are mysteriously shut out.

    Detroit will get another stab at the Winter Classic, but they'll be playing it in Montreal or Toronto. It's another NHL joke that we get to play these classic rivals, at home, only once every two years. Did anyone notice all the Montreal fans at Joe Louis last month when the Habs were here? There was a different feel at JLA that night, one that rarely happens for a regular season game. We'll have to wait two more years for that, but I doubt it will be a New Years Day game.

    And Downriviera, my DYes hockey buddy, you are right about Tiger Stadium. Too bad, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamtragedy View Post

    Detroit will get another stab at the Winter Classic, but they'll be playing it in Montreal or Toronto. .
    Toronto and Montreal will never get a Winter Classic with NBC involved. If you involve a Canadian team guess which channel the fans from Canada will be watching? Certainly not NBC.

    My guess for the next one--Rangers v Isles--Yankee Stadium

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    Quote Originally Posted by lincoln8740 View Post
    Toronto and Montreal will never get a Winter Classic with NBC involved. If you involve a Canadian team guess which channel the fans from Canada will be watching? Certainly not NBC.
    Your probably right about that, although CBC was supposed to broadcast the game at 1PM as well as NBC.

    On a brighter note however, take it a step further and throw out all the southern teams that could never build an outdoor rink, and the odds of Detroit getting a game go up dramatically. Think how great it would be to see Montreal or Toronto playing at the CoPa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lincoln8740 View Post
    Toronto and Montreal will never get a Winter Classic with NBC involved. If you involve a Canadian team guess which channel the fans from Canada will be watching? Certainly not NBC.

    My guess for the next one--Rangers v Isles--Yankee Stadium
    They already had one in Edmonton.

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