Kroger's amazing feat

**stasu1213** · November-07-10, 08:46 AM

I was in the Pointes and had noticed the Kroger that was razed in April had been rebuilt and set to open any day. Had there ever been any supermarket in Detroit that was built in that short length of time? Someone had mentioned earlier that the Kroger on Gratiot and Seven was built quickly but I think it had taken a year to build that one.

**pgn421** · November-07-10, 09:55 AM

Those Grosse Pointers don't want to travel outside of their city to shop!

**313WX** · November-07-10, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by pgn421

Those Grosse Pointers don't want to travel outside of their city to shop!

They don't have to with two Krogers within Grosse Pointe [[excluding the village store), several decent gourmet markets and a Trader Joe's.

**MikeM** · November-07-10, 11:30 AM

I don't think that's quick at all. I lived in Florida in the 1980s and watched them clear a mangrove and build a strip mall in less time.

And pgn is talking out of his ass.

bartock · November-07-10, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by MikeM

I don't think that's quick at all. I lived in Florida in the 1980s and watched them clear a mangrove and build a strip mall in less time.

And pgn is talking out of his ass.

I don't work construction, but it seems that the leveling of the old structure, building and integration of a brand new structure into the existing village would take more time than just clearing and building up a strip mall.

**GPCharles** · November-07-10, 11:50 AM

The "Village" Kroger has always been a gold mine for the company. They want to get it open in time for the holidays.

**EastsideAl** · November-07-10, 12:18 PM

It's really kind of the other way around from what pgn says, the GP Kroger pulls shoppers from all over the east side of Detroit, as well as from the Pointes themselves. Like Charles says, the place is a gold mine, since it attracts customers from such a wide area. My mom shops there a lot, and the place is pretty much always jammed.

**JBMcB** · November-07-10, 12:42 PM

The new Trader Joe's in the Village is packed all the time, as well.

**Meddle** · November-07-10, 01:29 PM

April to November is around 7 months; not really all that fast. They can build, stock and open a Lowes or Home Depot in 6 months once the ground is cleared and prepped.

**softailrider** · November-07-10, 01:34 PM

The Meijers store that was recently built on M-59 and Adams Road went up pretty quickly too. The amount of time Meijers has spent messing with the ground on Woodward and State Fair seems quite lengthy in comparsion.

**kraig** · November-07-10, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by softailrider

The Meijers store that was recently built on M-59 and Adams Road went up pretty quickly too. The amount of time Meijers has spent messing with the ground on Woodward and State Fair seems quite lengthy in comparsion.

Meijers isn't the problem. The layers of bureaucracy and bullshit that has to be dealt with in Detroit is the problem.

**softailrider** · November-07-10, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by kraig

Meijers isn't the problem. The layers of bureaucracy and bullshit that has to be dealt with in Detroit is the problem.

That's suprising too - you would think the city would be chomping at the bit to get a good retailer into that spot. Or, if they aren't, they should be.

**Hermod** · November-07-10, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by softailrider

The Meijers store that was recently built on M-59 and Adams Road went up pretty quickly too. The amount of time Meijers has spent messing with the ground on Woodward and State Fair seems quite lengthy in comparsion.

Maybe they didn't have to deal with the incompetents and kleptocracts that do the permitting for the city of Detroit.

**Gistok** · November-07-10, 02:20 PM

In 1919 Orchestra Hall was built and opened in the amazing time of 4 months. Not bad for early 20th Century!

**DetroitZack** · November-07-10, 03:10 PM

Kroger! Where I've spent the past 5 years of my life managing lol

**mwilbert** · November-07-10, 03:24 PM

Meijers isn't the problem. The layers of bureaucracy and bullshit that has to be dealt with in Detroit is the problem.

I don't think this is correct. Neither Meijer's nor the city is the problem; the problem is that the developers don't have financing.

From the July 22 Detroit News:

The project has been delayed many times but received city approval and is expected to start once
developers secure financing.

See http://eightmile.org/demo/demo/Html/...-%20072210.pdf

[[the original Detroit News article that this references is now paywalled).

**douglasm** · November-07-10, 03:43 PM

DetroitZack......
.....and banging your head on Shelftalks and coupon machines? [[I work for NAM)

**CLAUDE G** · November-07-10, 05:52 PM

I think they got to get the store built fast, for 2 reasons..

#1 Every day they are closed, it costs them money

#2 They don't want to get people used to shopping somewhere else.

**GPCharles** · November-08-10, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by CLAUDE G

#2 They don't want to get people used to shopping somewhere else.

If you live in Grosse Pointe, the only option [[other than the small, local stores) is Kroger.

Grosse Pointe area Kroger locations:

Mack/Moross
Mack/Lochmoor [[or thereabouts)
Marter/Jefferson
Harper/Old 8 Mile
Mack/9 Mile [[sort of)

**bailey** · November-08-10, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by GPCharles

If you live in Grosse Pointe, the only option [[other than the small, local stores) is Kroger.

Grosse Pointe area Kroger locations:

Mack/Moross
Mack/Lochmoor [[or thereabouts)
Marter/Jefferson
Harper/Old 8 Mile
Mack/9 Mile [[sort of)

IIRC, the Mack/Moross Kroger will close when the new one in the village opens. The building is owned by GP Farms and I believe the plan is to tear it down and add to the park and soccer fields behind it.

Mack/ 9 mile and Mack/ Vernier were both Farmer Jacks. I really am surprised they have stayed open as Krogers. Coupled with the plethora of smaller neighborhood markets--Muellers, Farm Fresh, Village, TJs...etc., would have though at least a couple of those FJs that became Krogers wouldn't make it. Especially the 9 and Mack with the Marter one practically around the corner.

**JBMcB** · November-08-10, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

Especially the 9 and Mack with the Marter one practically around the corner.

It's relatively difficult to get to the 9 and Mack store if you are coming from the Jefferson and Vernier area. The only way to get through is to take Jefferson or Mack to 9, which is out of the way for a lot of people because of the crazy streets in that area. Also, the GPW park is at the foot of Marter, and I'd imagine they get a ton of picnic business.

That entire area is relatively dense residential, and GPS is nothing but residential, so there's plenty of population to support two stores.

bartock · November-08-10, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by JBMcB

It's relatively difficult to get to the 9 and Mack store if you are coming from the Jefferson and Vernier area. The only way to get through is to take Jefferson or Mack to 9, which is out of the way for a lot of people because of the crazy streets in that area. Also, the GPW park is at the foot of Marter, and I'd imagine they get a ton of picnic business.

That entire area is relatively dense residential, and GPS is nothing but residential, so there's plenty of population to support two stores.

That Shogun place in the same complex has done really well since it opened. The area could use more restaurants, in my opinion. There really isn't much [[N. Deli is the best, however) on the Naut Mile for quick pick up/carry out fare.

**Gistok** · November-08-10, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

IIRC, the Mack/Moross Kroger will close when the new one in the village opens. The building is owned by GP Farms and I believe the plan is to tear it down and add to the park and soccer fields behind it.

Bailey are you sure about the park expansion?

It seems to me that the Mack/Moross corner [[once they tore down Sears, old Hughes/Hatcher, that strip of 8 homes along Moross, and now the demise of the small Kroger) is THE prime real estate parcel for development in all of Grosse Pointe Farms. It's kitty-corner from St. John's main campus/shopping center/office buildings.

Perhaps they may expand the park into the back parking lot of Kroger... but I don't think that a park will be fronting the major intersection. I would think that commercially that land is too valuable for recreation.

**bailey** · November-08-10, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Bailey are you sure about the park expansion?

It seems to me that the Mack/Moross corner [[once they tore down Sears, old Hughes/Hatcher, that strip of 8 homes along Moross, and now the demise of the small Kroger) is THE prime real estate parcel for development in all of Grosse Pointe Farms. It's kitty-corner from St. John's main campus/shopping center/office buildings.

Perhaps they may expand the park into the back parking lot of Kroger... but I don't think that a park will be fronting the major intersection. I would think that commercially that land is too valuable for recreation.

No idea if that is the final plan. IIRC the initial plans were for a Sunrise senior center to anchor a corner development. I think those fell through a while ago. I thought I read somewhere [[gp news maybe?) the plan now is for more soccer fields and the dog park being re oriented. Maybe that is just an interim plan until the economy improves?

**TKshreve** · November-13-10, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Bailey are you sure about the park expansion?

It seems to me that the Mack/Moross corner [[once they tore down Sears, old Hughes/Hatcher, that strip of 8 homes along Moross, and now the demise of the small Kroger) is THE prime real estate parcel for development in all of Grosse Pointe Farms. It's kitty-corner from St. John's main campus/shopping center/office buildings.

Perhaps they may expand the park into the back parking lot of Kroger... but I don't think that a park will be fronting the major intersection. I would think that commercially that land is too valuable for recreation.

So if they develop the corner and expand the grassy knoll, where will everyone park?