RSIG Security at Transformer Packard set

Blarf · September-13-10, 01:52 PM

Let's get a mob of people together and beat the shit of these assholes.

**Claude G.** · September-13-10, 02:08 PM

RSIG was there at Tiger Stadium a few months ago when they shot Hung.

Kind of pissed me off because I wanted to speak with in someone in charge to see about putting a flag on the flagpole [[at my expense) and they just blew me off saying the flag would interfer in their shot.

I saw the footage they shot on HBO, the flag would have looked awesome!

LodgeDodger · September-13-10, 04:33 PM

I can't believe some of you guys. The Packard Plant is private property. The film company is renting the place for shooting. Stay the heck away. Are you throwing a fit because you're not able to trespass, Mauser?

**mauser** · September-13-10, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

I think it's hilarious. You guys are used to playing fast and loose with the rules of private property, and now are brought back to reality when some big bad goons stop you from entering. I just love it.

Maybe you can cut your own entrance in the building? Seems like the thing to do.

This is duly noted and funny, but nobody is talking about entering any property. We are talking about full blown indisputable public streets and sidewalks. East Grand Boulevard - that is a public road.

**mauser** · September-13-10, 04:58 PM

LodgerDodger - read above response, and again, your point is not invalid exactly, although it doesnt apply to this situation at all.

And........who owns Packard again ??

=crickets=

**mauser** · September-13-10, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by bsu

A friend of mine said this was assault. I think that's a bit of an overreaction but I can see how this could lead to more and more aggressive behavior.

YES - that is the 'battery' part of "assault and battery". You cant thump your index finger in somebodies chest either. You may not lay hands on any person - period.

And again - totally agreed about the police and the cops response. "Please just stay out of there right now". No prob....

Screaming in peoples faces ? wtf. Not necessary, not effective, not necessarily legal either - if done to intimidate a person engaging in legal behavior.

Stosh · September-13-10, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by mauser

This is duly noted and funny, but nobody is talking about entering any property. We are talking about full blown indisputable public streets and sidewalks. East Grand Boulevard - that is a public road.

Park your car elsewhere and walk in, then let them issue that ticket. Have witnesses. Let them beat you with their Tonya Harding specials. Then sue the company, AND the city. Otherwise, just quit whining. And pay to see the movie like anyone else.

Also, in response to the above comment about what constitutes assault, I think that this applies.

Performance of Duty and Authority A person may use reasonable force when it becomes necessary in the course of performing a duty. A police officer, for example, may use force when apprehending a criminal. In some jurisdictions, private citizens may also use reasonable force to stop a crime being committed in their presence. Certain businesses, such as restaurants or nightclubs, are authorized to hire employees who may use reasonable force to remove persons who disturb other patrons. Court officers, such as judges, may order the removal of disruptive persons who interfere with their duties.

**Jared9903** · September-13-10, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by LodgeDodger

I can't believe some of you guys. The Packard Plant is private property. The film company is renting the place for shooting. Stay the heck away. Are you throwing a fit because you're not able to trespass, Mauser?

Well. I went there with the intention of filming the exterior of the building from the sidewalk for a short documentary, and they threatened to shoot me with a ".357" so don't even try to say the guards are right in this thread.

LodgeDodger · September-13-10, 06:24 PM

Perhaps they know who you are, Mauser. You've made a career out of trespassing.

**wolverine** · September-13-10, 06:25 PM

Of course performance of duty and authority depends on where it's allowed when it is needed. Police officers and security guards can't just walk around confronting everybody in existence wherever they please. There must be a reason either by reckless behavior or a particular place that is off limits to the public.

If there is particular zone where their authority can be exercised than so be it.

What's being called into question is how far that zone extends. Is the security company arbitrarily policing areas outside the assigned zone because they feel like it? Or are they just trying to keep people out of the area that they really have no authority over so they don't have to worry about them eventually walking into the filming area? This is what I'd like to find out

Again it's really a shame I'm hearing this. T3 was a nice spike in tourism and definitely a benefit to local restaurants and retailers when they were here. Part of the reason T3 was allowed to shoot in Chicago was because it would bring tourists. I was hoping Detroit would see these side benefits. Apparently not

**mikefmich** · September-13-10, 06:27 PM

When is the filming supposed to be finished?

**Gannon** · September-13-10, 07:18 PM

I just realized, I think we should PITY these security fools instead.

I think they are just scared of Detroiters. Period.

I guess that makes them INsecurity fools.

**Gannon** · September-13-10, 07:21 PM

I say we pull a FlashMob on 'em.

Waves of zombied Detroiters awaken and move upon them...

...Frank, you got that camera ready?!

**wolverine** · September-13-10, 08:04 PM

Or a formal complaint could be filed and dealt with that way. Honestly this has nothing to do with the T3 folks and everything to do with the security. If people start acting like idiots then it's just pointless disruption to filming operations.

Stosh · September-13-10, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

Well. I went there with the intention of filming the exterior of the building from the sidewalk for a short documentary, and they threatened to shoot me with a ".357" so don't even try to say the guards are right in this thread.

Yeah like THAT hasn't been done before, ever. Maybe you should coordinate with the city's film ofice. here's a link:

http://www.detroitmi.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=582

Maybe you can get a permit? Put some cash into the coffers?
I'm sure youtube will wait a while.

**Jared9903** · September-13-10, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Yeah like THAT hasn't been done before, ever. Maybe you should coordinate with the city's film ofice. here's a link:

http://www.detroitmi.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=582

Maybe you can get a permit? Put some cash into the coffers?
I'm sure youtube will wait a while.

Why would I need a permit if I am filming from the sidewalk. It is public, I can film freely. And this will never see youtube.

**mikefmich** · September-13-10, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

Why would I need a permit if I am filming from the sidewalk. It is public, I can film freely. And this will never see youtube.

Almost every city you go to in the US has permit reqs. for anything image or film that is remotely commercial.....and I DO mean remotely. If they wish to screw with someone, cops will just call it commercial no matter what you say.

FYI-Self-promotion has been considered commercial by many courts on many levels.

Stosh · September-13-10, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

Why would I need a permit if I am filming from the sidewalk. It is public, I can film freely. And this will never see youtube.

Right. Then you just make random documentaries for your own amusement?

Edit: Of course, the traditional UM student documentary. Like they haven't seen THAT either.
Is this for film class,or a class on ruin porn? Did you give credit for the photos you used from the Reuther?

Almost every city you go to in the US has permit reqs. for anything image or film that is remotely commercial.....and I DO mean remotely. If they wish to screw with someone, cops will just call it commercial no matter what you say.

FYI-Self-promotion has been considered commercial by many courts on many levels.

That's spot-on Mike.

**Jared9903** · September-13-10, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by mikefmich

Almost every city you go to in the US has permit reqs. for anything image or film that is remotely commercial.....and I DO mean remotely. If they wish to screw with someone, cops will just call it commercial no matter what you say.

FYI-Self-promotion has been considered commercial by many courts on many levels.

Thanks for the info, but it is not going to be remotely commercial.

Originally Posted by Stosh

Right. Then you just make random documentaries for your own amusement?

Edit: Of course, the traditional UM student documentary. Like they haven't seen THAT either.
Is this for film class,or a class on ruin porn? Did you give credit for the photos you used from the Reuther?

That's spot-on Mike.

Wrong again. The thread is not about what I have been making the video for. And not that it is really anything for you to be concerned about, but yes. I am putting sources on any information or photo that I did not take.

Stosh · September-13-10, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

Thanks for the info, but it is not going to be remotely commercial.

Wrong again. The thread is not about what I have been making the video for. And not that it is really anything for you to be concerned about, but yes. I am putting sources on any information or photo that I did not take.

Of course. Did you ask permission too?

**Jared9903** · September-13-10, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stosh

Of course. Did you ask permission too?

I have not yet collected photos from any of those websites. I have just started. I have asked photographers for permission to their photos, yes. Again, I think this is irrelevant and off topic to the thread.

Might I ask why you are so concerned with how I am making this?

**mikefmich** · September-13-10, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

Thanks for the info, but it is not going to be remotely commercial.

LOL.....just a few posts back you used the word documentary, correct?

I got a newsflash for you....what YOU think is commercial, and what the LE & the courts has held to be a commercial level is likely two different things.

Trust me, I know. I have photographed from coast to coast and I have a in-house lawyer whom I can be in touch with on a 24/7 basis.

Trust me I have fought cops from coast to coast, I've done photography hit & run, and every which way you can do it.

However I also pretty much know what the law is, and pretty much know how the law can fuck with you if they so chose, and often be right.

If you want to go stand on E. Grand with a point and shoot, well then I'm behind you 100%.

But if you go stand on E. Grand with a DSLR, SLR, med. format or video camera.....uh uh. Your gonna lose.

Feel lucky you want to play in Detroit with cameras. You can get away with a lot. Go try that anywhere along the coast in California...and I do mean anywhere....or try that in NYC and a host of other places without a permit. Be ready to jockey up a few thou. Actually, in many places the permits are cheap and easy to get. NYC for one example.

**Valerie** · September-13-10, 11:04 PM

Sounds like a job for Rob Wolchek and the Fox 2 Problem Solvers. They love being pushed around by security guards and the like.

**wolverine** · September-14-10, 01:14 AM

So are thousands of people going to get sued for photographing the previous scenes?

You guys are hilarious. Why don't you just get in contact with the crew members, see what they think.

I guess all I can say is just stay away. It's a shame it has to be this way, but it's Detroit's loss. If the situations of what people are reporting are true, then someone should investigate the security company. I don't think people should go over there just to stir up havoc and prove who is right. It's precisely the behavior they are hired to prevent.

Stosh · September-14-10, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jared9903

I have not yet collected photos from any of those websites. I have just started. I have asked photographers for permission to their photos, yes. Again, I think this is irrelevant and off topic to the thread.

Might I ask why you are so concerned with how I am making this?

I don't really care. I just find it funny as hell that you just HAVE to take pictures when the movie is filming. And I just like to see credit go where it should.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your documentary some day. Hope that you can make the rubble jump, or something original. I can't see wasting my time looking at some kind of rehash of ruin porn.