Another Drive-By Shooting

[Melocoton]

Then why was there a 25% drop in homicides under one chief, but not under the next?

Why was there a 15% drop in non-fatal shootings under one chief, but not under the next?

Can you answer those questions?

What brilliant things was Evans [[who was after all only in the job in the first place because he's a crony of Bing's) doing? I don't think you can just point to numbers in the absence of all the other factors involved [[like summer, for example, or simple coincidence). So what did Evans do that his successor doesn't?

[Fnemecek]

Can you answer those questions?

I can take a stab at it.

Evans produced a 400% increase in narcotics seizures during his tenure. He also made taking illegal guns off the streets a much higher priority and improved DPD's response time by 26%.

Fewer guns + fewer drugs + faster police response time = a safer Detroit.

[Jimaz]

I can take a stab at it.

Evans produced a 400% increase in narcotics seizures during his tenure. He also made taking illegal guns off the streets a much higher priority and improved DPD's response time by 26%.

Fewer guns + fewer drugs + faster police response time = a safer Detroit.

Didn't he also initiate the practice of strategically concentrating resources in statisically high crime areas? I hope that common sense idea is still active. Anything else seems ad hoc.

[Gannon]

Evans only went after the low-hanging fruit, knowing that it would generate numbers enough to make him look good for his NEXT thing. I'm sure losing his gig with the current thing wasn't in his plans.


I'm fairly certain the books are cooked with all of these numbers anyways...but since Evans used to be married to the previous Chief, and the current guy was part of the overall problem with the Kwhyme mis-administration...it doesn't explain their volatility.

I'd love to see who actually compiled the numbers, and which reports from the street-level were actually counted under which statistical category...without that knowledge, all of this conversation is moot.


I do know one thing, numbers cannot be trusted...you must look beyond to see how they are generated and which are discarded or refiled, and why.

My bet is if we went back to before the FBI was defining these statistics for national compilation, there would be a different skewing of the way reports are written in the field...how various crimes are recorded.



I don't trust the current guy one whit, and didn't with the last two either...if I paid enough attention, there may not have BEEN any reasonable, respectable, and rustworthy Chief's in my lifetime. [[You can put a 't' in there if you want to destroy the alliteration.)


Cheers, anyways. I'm on vacation.

[Fnemecek]

Evans only went after the low-hanging fruit, knowing that it would generate numbers enough to make him look good for his NEXT thing.

Low-hanging fruit doesn't get you $17 million in narcotics seizures in under a year.

Also, it would be hard to cook the books too much when Chief Evans kept hold press conferences to show people the guns, drugs, and money that his officers managed to seize.

As for generating numbers to make him look good for his next thing, I believe you very well may be right. In fact, that is probably the real reason why Mayor Bing got rid of him.

Mayor Bing may or may not run for a second term. If he doesn't, there's a lengthy list of people in his administration who will want to the job. They had to know that he would be serious political competition. Therefore, they eliminated him.

[Buy American]

Mayor Bing may or may not run for a second term. If he doesn't, there's a lengthy list of people in his administration who will want to the job. They had to know that he would be serious political competition. Therefore, they eliminated him.

...and that lengthy list would include nut jobs like Puke and Detroit taxpayers would be nutty enough to vote him into office to take over where Bing left off.

[Buy American]

[quote=Gannon;180651]Evans only went after the low-hanging fruit, knowing that it would generate numbers enough to make him look good for his NEXT thing. I'm sure losing his gig with the current thing wasn't in his plans.
I'm fairly certain the books are cooked with all of these numbers anyways...but since Evans used to be married to the previous Chief, and the current guy was part of the overall problem with the Kwhyme mis-administration...it doesn't explain their volatility.
I'd love to see who actually compiled the numbers, and which reports from the street-level were actually counted under which statistical category...without that knowledge, all of this conversation is moot.
I do know one thing, numbers cannot be trusted...you must look beyond to see how they are generated and which are discarded or refiled, and why.
My bet is if we went back to before the FBI was defining these statistics for national compilation, there would be a different skewing of the way reports are written in the field...how various crimes are recorded.
I don't trust the current guy one whit, and didn't with the last two either...if I paid enough attention, there may not have BEEN any reasonable, respectable, and rustworthy Chief's in my lifetime. [[You can put a 't' in there if you want to destroy the alliteration.)[[quote)

In my time, the books were cooked on fire stats, especially during the Devil's Night period. After a while, garage fires were eliminated in the count, then car fires, then garbage fires, until they came up with a count that looked good for the respective mayor....and at that time, it was Young.

[[quote=crumbled pavment) Here's a much better idea. Since all the problem people live in Detroit, why don't we move them all out somewhere else and the problem is solved. Detroit would immediately return to the utopia it once was.[[quote).

You are right about one thing crumbled, all the problems are from people who live in Detroit, I don't think that the gang bangers and murderers all all from "somewhere else" do you?

In my opinion, Detroit needs more police protection and they need good people to do the jobs. Start recruiting some law abiding men and women; and if that means you have to reach out to suburbs, do it....just get them. Bring the Police force up to standards, get qualified people to head the department and not some lackey or cronie who you owe favors and maybe there will be a turnaround. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Detroit needs manpower and good leadership, and right now, she has none of that.

[Crumbled_pavement]

You are right about one thing crumbled, all the problems are from people who live in Detroit, I don't think that the gang bangers and murderers all all from "somewhere else" do you?

In my opinion, Detroit needs more police protection and they need good people to do the jobs. Start recruiting some law abiding men and women; and if that means you have to reach out to suburbs, do it....just get them. Bring the Police force up to standards, get qualified people to head the department and not some lackey or cronie who you owe favors and maybe there will be a turnaround. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Detroit needs manpower and good leadership, and right now, she has none of that.

1) What sense does it make to bring in suburbanites to police Detroiters to get Detroit's crime rate down when you could just move the Detroiters out. Wouldn't that be the true solution, especially when you said
2) It doesn't matter if God is police chief, Detroit thugs are going to do what they want to do.

[Buy American]

1) What sense does it make to bring in suburbanites to police Detroiters to get Detroit's crime rate down when you could just move the Detroiters out. Wouldn't that be the true solution, especially when you said
2) It doesn't matter if God is police chief, Detroit thugs are going to do what they want to do.

You took my statement about God too literal Crumbled....and most importantly, wherever that place is that you would want to move Detroiters out to wouldn't want them if they were not law-abiding citizens interested in their community,and caring about their neighbors.

My point was that you don't have to live in Detroit to care about it. Like I said, just ask those 4 firemen who are STILL laying in hospital beds from the Friday the 13th fire on Jefferson....what they and their families would tell you would be the same...whether it be Detroit, Troy, Harper Woods or Wyandotte, it wouldn't have mattered; we fought the blaze for the community we care for and work in...period, end of story.