President Obama stands up for Ground Zero mosque

[Buy American]

By the way, did you know there is a Mosque at the Pentagon?

Would you happen to know how many Christian churches there are in Iraq?

[jerrytimes]

It's not at ground zero, genius, it's a few blocks away. I wouldn't expect you to know that though because Fox News Shrills keeps lying about it's location.

By the way, did you know there is a Mosque at the Pentagon?

No shit, genius, I've mentioned that numerous times. Fox News does say that as well. Like I've mentioned to others, please read what I've said BEFORE you comment.

I also enjoy how everyone here that doesn't agree with my PERSONAL OPINION likes to label me as a right Republican Conservative, as you pretty much did by stating that I must only get my information from Fox News. Unlike you [[I'm guessing) and most people here [[again, just guessing) I get my news from multiple sources. CNN, FOX, MSNBC. Sure, I agree with some more than others, but I'm not a one sided close minded individual.

[1KielsonDrive]

Just like some have apparently forgotten that pesky little 'freedom of religion' thing in the first amendment of the Constitution.

Thank you, jcole.

[Buy American]

Let's put it this way folks.....some people want the word "God" gone from the Pledge of Allegiance, off of our money because it "offends" a minority of people. You can't place a nativity scene on government property [[and sometimes private property) because it "offends" a minority of people. They took the 10 Commandment out of a courthouse because it "offends" a minority of people. You can't say certain words because if "offends" some people.
This mosque offends me and I feel it's a slap in the face of all those who died in the towers, the planes and on the ground. I would ask "why?" do they want to build right there? Why, when they know it offends so many people throughout the United States, would they want to impose this building on us? Every time they bow to Allah they will be celebrating their victory. There are circumstances that should be considered in this case....most of all the loved ones of all those people who died that day and Obama needs to re-think his stance on this.

[ghettopalmetto]

You can't place a nativity scene on government property [[and sometimes private property) because it "offends" a minority of people. They took the 10 Commandment out of a courthouse because it "offends" a minority of people.

No, those things can't be done because courts have ruled that they violate the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Go to church and you can put your nativity scenes and Ten Commandments wherever you wish.

Do you know what's offensive? Passing judgment on an entire group of your fellow Americans because of 19 individuals half-a-world away that practiced a radicalized version of the same faith. You think you're pissed? How do you think these Muslims in New York feel when they hear people like you spewing your hateful bullshit?

Do you know what else is offensive? When some self-righteous prick decides to intervene on behalf of the New York City Department of City Planning.

[Buy American]

Do you know what's offensive? Passing judgment on an entire group of your fellow Americans because of 19 individuals half-a-world away that practiced a radicalized version of the same faith. You think you're pissed? How do you think these Muslims in New York feel when they hear people like you spewing your hateful bullshit?

Do you know what else is offensive? When some self-righteous prick decides to intervene on behalf of the New York City Department of City Planning.

I am not passing judgement on "fellow Americans" because these people are not Americans in my opinion. It wasn't just 19 individuals who carried this horrendous act out and for you to say that shows me what type of person you are and what your mentality is. I don't care how the muslims in New York feel...they should certainly understand the anger and hurt that the majority of the nation is feeling right now regarding this unnecessary mosque that they want to build in the shadow of the worse disaster in America to this day.

To me, this mosque would be like building a Japanese place of worship over the Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Some things are sacred and important to stand up for. You have your opinion and I have mine. I am not into name calling as you are so I won't respond to that. Take off your rose colored glasses.

[jerrytimes]

Let's put it this way folks.....some people want the word "God" gone from the Pledge of Allegiance, off of our money because it "offends" a minority of people. You can't place a nativity scene on government property [[and sometimes private property) because it "offends" a minority of people. They took the 10 Commandment out of a courthouse because it "offends" a minority of people. You can't say certain words because if "offends" some people.
This mosque offends me and I feel it's a slap in the face of all those who died in the towers, the planes and on the ground. I would ask "why?" do they want to build right there? Why, when they know it offends so many people throughout the United States, would they want to impose this building on us? Every time they bow to Allah they will be celebrating their victory. There are circumstances that should be considered in this case....most of all the loved ones of all those people who died that day and Obama needs to re-think his stance on this.

Thank you. Well said.

[jerrytimes]

There isn't a mass group of Christians that bomb abortion clinics. There are a select few that are insane and do moronic things like that. Although I don't agree with abortion, I would never back those nut jobs. I also don't think your comparison works very well. Christian nut job bombs a clinic, kills a few, Muslim nut job drops four planes, levels two buildings and hits the pentagon killing thousand and attacking our country. The comparison doesn't quite add up sir.

I'll pass on the flag as a towel thank you. I actually respect the USA. A shower would be nice though since I just cut the grass a half hour ago. BTW, just because you live in NYC [[just a guess by what you posted) that doesn't mean that your opinion is right. Maybe you need to smell that again to be reminded of what happened.

[ghettopalmetto]

There isn't a mass group of Christians that bomb abortion clinics. There are a select few that are insane and do moronic things like that.

Just like there isn't a mass group of Muslims that fly airplanes into buildings.

Get it?

[jerrytimes]

Just like there isn't a mass group of Muslims that fly airplanes into buildings.

Get it?

Al-Qaeda is a large group of Muslims that put together a very large operation to do what they did. You forget that this was the 2nd or 3rd attempt at bombing the trade center but them.

[ghettopalmetto]

Al-Qaeda is a large group of Muslims that put together a very large operation to do what they did. You forget that this was the 2nd or 3rd attempt at bombing the trade center but them.

So what you're saying is that al Qaeda is similar to the very "Christian" Ku Klux Klan, Army of God, Christian Identity, and Promise Keepers?

[1KielsonDrive]

So what you're saying is that al Qaeda is similar to the very Christian Ku Klux Klan.

Great analogy.

[gibran]

First of all Al Qaeda is not a large group of Muslims anymore than the KKK is a large group of Christians..secondly ...the Muslims in our country are and were outraged at the events of 9/11...and some even died...some are serving in our armed forces and some our the doctors, lawyers and teachers that walk our institutions...so they are victims too.

what message are we sending to the Muslims [[some who have been here since the early 1900's) when we see such vile hate towards a group of people that [[happen to worship the same God as Jews and Christians) have been part of our fabric for generations...way to go xenophobes...let's keep creating disenfranchised youth...way to go Sarah Palen lovers for stoking hatred for others when you haven't a clue..way to play on the raw emotions and exploit these raw emotions for those who lost love ones for political and ideological gain...

This is not America where we fall victim to prejudice and hate ...but maybe the America of those whose patriotism is only symbolic and whose value for the constitution is pigeoned holed for those who look just like them...'

By the way this is not on ground zero...way to go President Obama finally standing up to those who hate..and not generalizing that all Muslims are terrorists,,,

[Buy American]

Just like there isn't a mass group of Muslims that fly airplanes into buildings.

Get it?

There is a very LARGE faction of muslims out there trying to kill Americans....where have you been during the last 10-15 years? Is your head buried in the sand in some desert?

[Magnatomicflux]

Just like there isn't a mass group of Muslims that fly airplanes into buildings.

Get it?

No, He doesn't ghettopalmetto. I agree with you 100%. Isn't this being built BLOCKS away? I can understand why people are upset, but maybe all this opposition is forgetting something very, very important. Our ARMED FORCES.
Have you forgotten exactly what they live, fight and die for? Is it not the same rights they fight for that these Muslims are seeking? I didn't know it excluded people who call "God" by a different name...or have brown skin.They are citizens of the United States....you know, the country that flag you're waving around belongs to.
and they have ALL of the same rights and freedoms you do. Don't you think there were maybe......just maybe a couple hunderd Muslims in the WTC? Don't you think that there were Muslim NYFD and NYPD members killed? On the planes themselves?????

And have you forgotten such Christian groups as say.....the IRA? No? How about...mmmmmmmmmmm the KKK? I wonder who bombed the Atlanta Olympics..........or even the Oklahoma bombing.




edit...missed some things while I was typing...sorry for repeats lol

[maxx]

There isn't a mass group of Christians that bomb abortion clinics. There are a select few that are insane and do moronic things like that. Although I don't agree with abortion, I would never back those nut jobs. I also don't think your comparison works very well. Christian nut job bombs a clinic, kills a few, Muslim nut job drops four planes, levels two buildings and hits the pentagon killing thousand and attacking our country. The comparison doesn't quite add up sir.

Their is a prayer room right in the Pentagon and no one has made a big deal of it.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010...ut_the_mo.html
"...Somewhere on the Right is an anonymous genius at creating memes. Sarah Palin floats a suspicious number of them: Death Panels, Ground Zero Mosque, 9/11 Mosque, Terror Babies. Her tweets are mine fields of coded words; for her, 'patriot' is defined as, 'those who agree with me.' When she says 'Americans,' it is not inclusive...
I wonder how many Americans realize the community center is not intended for Ground Zero. What will be constructed there includes a 55,000 square foot retail mall..."

Aaaah. What a fitting memorial to the victims of 9/11.

[Whitehouse]

Seems Obama has a better understanding of the constitution than the biggots who try to prevent the building of this religious center. I don't understand the fear of people for this religion. It's no different from Christianity. Both religions have their extreme points of view on some subjects, and neither one is perfect. There are some things in the bible that are totally not suitable for present day society. I don't like the stance that one religion seems to be considered more perfect than the other.

The Muslim faith has the same issues. But only the most extreme followers are the ones you need to fear, and they are on the fringe of the Muslim community. But they scream the loadest and seem to think they are the ones who invented the wheel. Those same extremes you can also find in Christiany. Sometimes they are total loonies, like the Westboro Baptist Church, but there are also some who have too much weaponry stashed in the attic. Willing to die for the lord....

In either case, in the constitution there was no different made in the freedom of religion. Nowhere is is said that you have the freedom to practice Christianity as the single religion. Where's the freedom I ask....

[Zacha341]

Beyond the specifics of this mosque the fear of being thought of as a bigot will silence some; even those who make the crucial and critical distinction between Islam and its radical factions [[who've made their positions clear from their own broadcasts and news outlets).

Some US citizens would rather censor themselves and avoid direct criticsm of some groups and sub-groups for the greater cause [[or perceived social value) of politeness and "political correctness" then be thought of as a racist. Withstanding your side of the political isle is it not unreasonable that this adapting could be used against us by our enemies...?

Opps - oh I forgot! Our sole enemies are the right wingers...

BTW I'm not a deep-dish republican, nor a garden variety dem.

Seems Obama has a better understanding of the constitution than the biggots who try to prevent the building of this religious center. I don't understand the fear of people for this religion. It's no different from Christianity. Both religions have their extreme points of view on some subjects, and neither one is perfect. There are some things in the bible that are totally not suitable for present day society. I don't like the stance that one religion seems to be considered more perfect than the other.

The Muslim faith has the same issues. But only the most extreme followers are the ones you need to fear, and they are on the fringe of the Muslim community. But they scream the loadest and seem to think they are the ones who invented the wheel. Those same extremes you can also find in Christiany. Sometimes they are total loonies, like the Westboro Baptist Church, but there are also some who have too much weaponry stashed in the attic. Willing to die for the lord....

In either case, in the constitution there was no different made in the freedom of religion. Nowhere is is said that you have the freedom to practice Christianity as the single religion. Where's the freedom I ask....

[Jimaz]

What I found interesting about this issue was how Obama, after his characteristic reserve, ultimately came out in a way that clearly shows his detractors that they cannot goad him into choosing a defensive popular stance over a proper constitutional stance. He has clearly written off as a lost cause any efforts to gain support from his detractors. He already knows how the hotheads will react. But he has also learned that they're beyond redemption. This is what's really newsworthy about this story.

Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us — a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today,

[ghettopalmetto]

I just wish Obama would have emphasized that permitting construction of the mosque is a LOCAL issue over which the federal government has no jurisdiction, and explaining that the Republicans who doth protest too much are in fact violating their hypocritical "limited government" bullshit credo.

[maxx]

I just wish Obama would have emphasized that permitting construction of the mosque is a LOCAL issue over which the federal government has no jurisdiction, and explaining that the Republicans who doth protest too much are in fact violating their hypocritical "limited government" bullshit credo.

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It is not a local issue when it becomes a question of discrimination against one particular religion. Just as it is not a local issue whether prayers are said in public schools. If it happens, it is because someone is not doing his/her job. All these laws and consitutional amendments against gay marriage have people convinced that they can dictate how people are to live and where they are to walk. The white majority used to think they could keep people of other races and religions out of their neighborhoods, out of their public schools. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance because there will always be people who want to wield power over others.

[oldredfordette]

It wouldn't matter, GP. The Islamophobes and Obamahaters can scream and cry louder than any facts you can present. They're too stupid to understand.

What pisses me off? I'm coming off like I'm defending Obama, who I think is a dreadful Republican president.

[gibran]

no intolerance is out to destroy America..and it needs two hang on every word that Palin and the likes say to shape their understanding...what a sad scenario that those brave men and women who daily protect our constitution have to worry about those whose hate would destroy it are coming from within the very nation they are protecting.

[Patrick]

no intolerance is out to destroy America..and it needs two hang on every word that Palin and the likes say to shape their understanding...what a sad scenario that those brave men and women who daily protect our constitution have to worry about those whose hate would destroy it are coming from within the very nation they are protecting.

Maybe it is organized religion in general that is out the destroy America?

[littlebuddy]

While moderate muslims are well meaning, this is not the Islam of Mohammad, much like the liberal,socialist,married,non-miracle Jesus of some professing "christians". The muslim closest to what was put forth in the Koran is that all non-muslim people are second,third,forth class citizens, that non-Islamic religious buildings are smaller and less than any Islamic religious building. Conquered land,people or nations by Islam are in the 'houe of peace' and non-conquered lands,people, or nations are in a 'house of war' Islam likes to build a Mosque on some site that has been conquered as a way of showing how superior Islam is. Islam is not about freedom, but submission, and every gain Islam gets is a victory for Islam. It would not surprise me that Sharia law is allowed in Muslim areas in the U.S.[[Dearborn area is one) soon, to appease these people. Why when so many are so eager to do away with any christian symbol of any type, these same people are so eager to appease the followers of Islam. Are they just afraid, or just ignorant of what Islam truly is and would do to us if allowed.