The government will protect you!

**unclefrank** · May-10-10, 08:47 AM

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...et--draws-fire

Thank god for the armed citizen!

**Danny** · May-10-10, 09:40 AM

This was a troubled black youth killing a disipline Black adult Detroit cop with a wife and child crime. It's pitiful that the America Justice System is making deals with criminals instead of locking them up and rehab their minds. The problem of locking perps up in jails and release them quickly comes from those who paying taxes. Well, so much for the law.

WORD FROM FROM THE STREET PROPHET

Some people fought the law and they won.

In Memoriam: Neda Agha-Soltan

**daddeeo** · May-10-10, 12:14 PM

Problem is how can you rehab the minds of the people who had their loved one gunned down?

**rid0617** · May-11-10, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danny

This was a troubled black youth killing a disipline Black adult Detroit cop with a wife and child crime. It's pitiful that the America Justice System is making deals with criminals instead of locking them up and rehab their minds. The problem of locking perps up in jails and release them quickly comes from those who paying taxes. Well, so much for the law.

WORD FROM FROM THE STREET PROPHET

Some people fought the law and they won.

In Memoriam: Neda Agha-Soltan

Thank you for your Neda memorial. I was starting to feel like I was the only one spreading the word about her.

**BShea** · May-11-10, 02:11 PM

"... government provided a European-style standard of living for most Americans ..."

If by that you meant an Isherwood-style Berlin nightlife from the Wiemar era, with the cabarets performing Brecht/Weill classics, I'll take it.

If by that you meant modern European nanny-statism/profligate spending that has sparked riots and killings in Greece [[with Portugal, Greece, Italy and Ireland not far behind), I'll leave it.

**Detroitnerd** · May-11-10, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by BShea

"... government provided a European-style standard of living for most Americans ..."

If by that you meant an Isherwood-style Berlin nightlife from the Wiemar era, with the cabarets performing Brecht/Weill classics, I'll take it.

If by that you meant modern European nanny-statism/profligate spending that has sparked riots and killings in Greece [[with Portugal, Greece, Italy and Ireland not far behind), I'll leave it.

Haha. Interesting that, in both situations, it is the international system that is driving both of those situations. [[League of Nations imposing cruel demands, international capital imposing austerity measures.)

The Greek situation is an interesting one. The IMF and World Bank aren't just imposing austerity demands on the third world anymore. Now European nations get to enjoy the fun of driving down living standards while appeasing the bankers.

We probably shouldn't be calling the situation in Greece a bailout of socialism. It's more a TARP for European bankers and currency speculators. European governments are funneling money into escrow-like accounts so Greece can pay the foreign bondholders who smelled blood in the water and will make a bundle, as will other swappers. The private firms will profit, the bad banking practices will be subsidized, and the real losers are financial transparency and the Greek people.

I do wish we held reckless, corrupt, money-grubbing banks to the same high standards we apparently hold socialists to. If only ...

**BShea** · May-11-10, 02:41 PM

I think the general consensus is that the Greek crisis is not the fault of greedy Wall Street-like fat cats and speculators, but from profligate government social spending, almost zero financial controls, investment-repellent bureaucracy, huge walls as a barrier to entry from entrepreneurs and a public that wants its entitlements -- like the retirement age of 54.

54?!?! That's absurd.

They're not rioting because they're angry at the measures their own government began to implement two years ago -- and almost no one here noticed.

I think to suggest the austerity measures are to protect financiers is a bit misleading. Greece did this to itself. Even the other nanny states say so.

**maxx** · May-11-10, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by rid0617

Thank you for your Neda memorial. I was starting to feel like I was the only one spreading the word about her.

Why not mention the students killed at Kent State?

DC48080 · May-10-10, 12:18 PM

Execute cop killers!

**Novine** · May-10-10, 01:24 PM

People involved in gun crimes need to be given the same "slow" system used for murderers, rapists, etc.

**1KielsonDrive** · May-10-10, 01:27 PM

The corporations will protect you! Ha, ha!

**1KielsonDrive** · May-10-10, 01:28 PM

And corporations don't need guns to rape, rob or kill you. They do it with money. Far deadlier than guns.

DC48080 · May-10-10, 01:45 PM

What do folks on here have against corporations?

**Detroitnerd** · May-10-10, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by DC48080

What do folks on here have against corporations?

It's the other crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_crime

DC48080 · May-10-10, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

It's the other crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_crime

Crime is crime whether it is white collar or any other type. It is all wrong.

But I'll ask again: What do some folks on here have against corporations? Not everyone involved with corporations is a white collar criminal.

**Detroitnerd** · May-10-10, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by DC48080

Crime is crime whether it is white collar or any other type. It is all wrong.

But I'll ask again: What do some folks on here have against corporations? Not everyone involved with corporations is a white collar criminal.

Corporations are guided only by their bottom line, and that's in a very short-term, must profit this quarter sort of way. They have no stake in the common welfare, no morals, no ethics, are not guided by anything but profit. When the poor commit crimes, they are perp-walked past video cameras and thrown in the slammer. When the rich commit crimes, it is called "reform," discussed by serious faces on television, and sold to our politicians.

Corporations are never "on your side." They are completely self-interested and will do anything they can to stay profitable, even if it means fucking the innocent over and then laughing all the way to the bank.

**BShea** · May-10-10, 04:30 PM

But I'll ask again: What do some folks on here have against corporations? Not everyone involved with corporations is a white collar criminal.

LMAO ... You're asking *that* question on *this* website?

They'll be singing "Beasts of England" in here shortly ...

**maxx** · May-11-10, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by DC48080

Crime is crime whether it is white collar or any other type. It is all wrong.

But I'll ask again: What do some folks on here have against corporations? Not everyone involved with corporations is a white collar criminal.

Just the corporations that are monopolizing the seed industry, polluting our air and water, putting poisons into the land, buying off Congress members to deregulate everything and let the "free market" go wild, and polluting the airwaves with the sort of propaganda that turned the word "environmentalist" into a dirty word among the ignorant masses. Oh, and after polluting the biosphere, they expect the taxpayers to clean it up.
Watch the doc, "the Corporation". If people acted the way corporations do, we'd put them away as sociopaths.

**Jimaz** · May-10-10, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by DC48080

What do folks on here have against corporations?

It would be easier if you would give the shorter list of what you don't have against corporations.

I buy my Che T-shirts at Northern Sun and prefer the music on Radio Habana Cuba over Beasts of England.

**Detroitnerd** · May-10-10, 04:44 PM

Ah, yes. When businessmen sit down to negotiate a deal, they both aim to stick it to the other guy before the other guy can give it to him good and hard. That's how businesspeople must behave to survive.

But when the public deals with businesses, we are supposed to believe in their kindly and gentle nature, pure "wealth creators" with nary an exploitative cell in their bodies, people who "grow the economy" for us and never wish us any ill will.

Which is the myth and which is the reality?

**BShea** · May-10-10, 04:57 PM

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need!"

Put on your Che t-shirts and man the barricades, comrades!

**Detroitnerd** · May-10-10, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by BShea

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need!"

Put on your Che t-shirts and man the barricades, comrades!

Haha. Well, that's classic defense of the "free enterprise" system for you: Label all of your opponents with a broad, red brush. Only nuts oppose corporate control! And they'd have you hanging from a lamppost on Gratiot Avenue before you could shout, "Fidel!"

The only thing wrong with that is that actual polls of the American people show they don't trust corporations. Even the conservative Gallup organization says 68 percent of Americans think corporations have too much sway today. But I guess they're all bearded, bomb-throwing anti-globalists answering poll questions through a fog of marijuana smoke. hehehehe.

**Jimaz** · May-10-10, 07:02 PM

Here: FreeSpeechforPeople.org kickoff video

DC48080 · May-10-10, 08:53 PM

Wow! Such hippy anti-corporate rants. Corporations are not the problem. The problem is people who do not work and do not participate in the economy.

Get off of your liberal high horses and work for a living and do something other than rant on an online forum about bullshit while living in your parent's basements. Open your eyes and see the real world!

**BShea** · May-10-10, 09:23 PM

The only thing wrong with that is that actual polls of the American people show they don't trust corporations.

Nor do they trust the government that the Left believes is there to dispense entitlements and regulate every aspect of our lives and behavior. Hence, the widespread popularity of the Tea Party, despite the Left's concerted effort to discredit the entire movement as a dangerous fringe of armed, racist Birchers [[which some of them certainly are). That's the sort of mindset that believes all corporations are evil and out to do no good no matter what -- the Left wing version of Birthers and Truther dingbats.

Our founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a codification of LIMITS on government, not an open-ended wish list of handouts.

For all the flaws of the free-market, it works. Collectivism, socialism and other forms of state control by self-appointed elites has a history of 100% failure -- all the flaws of our society plus oppression of human rights, civil rights, a free press, etc. How's that Greek nanny state working out?

Adam Smith was absolutely correct when he said we benefit from the self interest of others. Smith and Hayek also believed in the value of common-sense regulation and safety nets, as well.

For all the ills of American capitalism, it remains this country that the world's peoples want to emigrate to ... they don't typically want to state new lives in the various socialist worker's paradises of the world.