Castro applauds US health-care reform bill

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 07:56 AM

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-....html?x=0&.v=1

By the way, Cuba's system is so good, Castro gets his medical attention from Spain.

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 09:30 AM

**gibran** · March-26-10, 10:07 AM

ooooohh those great big socialists will be marching into our streetss...run folks I see a swede

**oladub** · March-26-10, 10:55 AM

I have a Canadian cousin who takes vacations in Cuba.While having his car repaired in Florida, he had a conversation with a lady lamenting her difficulty of getting things to her mother in Havana. My cousin offered to make a delivery since he was about to go to Cuba. The parcel he delivered was stocked with over the counter medicines like asperin which are hard to come by for Cuban residents. He has made two deliveries now and the lady in Florida, and he says, everyone in the car repair place treats him royally now.

Castro has done a good job of improving health care in Cuba but it is not quite as good as projected by his American friends on the left. Tourists are treated to a different level of medicine than regular Cubans. It is a two tiered medical system. Maybe the lack of fast foods and obesity as well as walking also contribute to good health in Cuba.

The oddest thing in the article was the statement, "Cuba provides free health care and education to all its citizens, and heavily subsidizes food, housing, utilities and transportation, policies that have earned it global praise. " How many people here are envious of Cuban food, housing, utilities, or transportation? The Soviet Union also subsidized all those things and also had housing shortages, empty shelves, and unworkable plumbing.

Castro's comment, "It is really incredible that 234 years after the Declaration of Independence ... the government of that country has approved medical attention for the majority of its citizens, something that Cuba was able to do half a century ago", might indicate that either he hasn't read the Declaration of Independence or is going senile. The Declaration says that governments are instituted solely to secure our rights and "that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." Had Castro read the text, he would realize that it our right and duty to replace everyone who voted for this bill.

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

Castro's comment, "It is really incredible that 234 years after the Declaration of Independence ... the government of that country has approved medical attention for the majority of its citizens, something that Cuba was able to do half a century ago", might indicate that either he hasn't read the Declaration of Independence or is going senile.

Yes, that is the most dimwitted statement in that article. Leaves you scratching your head. Castro doesn't understand the concept of freedom and liberty nor does he understand a representative system of government. Not unusual, considering that he considers himself the savior of his people [[sound familiar?)

Retroit · March-26-10, 11:47 AM

I feel a lot more comfortable now knowing that Castro approves of how our country is being run.

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Retroit

......Castro approves of how our country is being run.

It speaks VOLUMES doesn't it?

**rb336** · March-26-10, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I feel a lot more comfortable now knowing that Castro approves of how our country is being run.

shows you didn't read it!

this whole topic serves as a great reminder of one of Castro's greatest skills -- preying on divisions amonst his enemies. anyone who gives half a rat's ass what castro says is an absolute moron

**ejames01** · March-26-10, 10:42 AM

Some people have too much time on their hands....

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 12:03 PM

That is both hilarious and pitiful at the same time.

**gibran** · March-26-10, 01:25 PM

when was the last time a person needing health care in those countries with universal care died for a lack of care/directly related to not getting services? Or to put it this way...how many people that believe in the pursuit of life , liberty and happiness can do it if your are battling for your life with a disease that if caught earlier could have been eradicated? or next time you take a vaccine for polio...you remember the reality of the universality of vaccine programs...

**gibran** · March-26-10, 01:42 PM

I am so glad that you humanitarians have never had to tell a TBI patient that we can't he;p you because you have no funds in your insurance plan for cognitive therapy or independent living skills...that instead you have to go to a nursing home instead or to jail when you get mislabeled by the law enforcers because a frontal lobe injury has left you difficult to handle...even though you are twenty....

or tell a single parent working two jobs to ignore that pain in your uterus...until it gets so bad that you end up in the Er and find out if you would have treated it earlier..you wouldn't need a operation at twenty seven that will render you unable to have more children....

or how about a person working in the fields picking your vegetables, breaks a foot ...but can't get care because he is an immigrant...so he buys bigger shoes, until all the sizes available are used up...is finally convinced to get help...and the result was an amputation....that our current system folks...so live with the changes.... or you can super glue fake teeth in your mouths til you can return to a third world country to get dental care....

Ripley's believe or not stories....

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 01:50 PM

Wow, look at all the people coming here trying to defend [[or dissipate the significance of) Castro's endorsement of Obamacare.

Bearinabox · March-26-10, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by johnsmith

Wow, look at all the people coming here trying to defend [[or dissipate the significance of) Castro's endorsement of Obamacare.

Why is it significant? Analyze the health care bill based on its contents, not who says what about it. Your argument here amounts to "Hitler owned a dog, therefore dogs are evil."

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bearinabox

Why is it significant? Analyze the health care bill based on its contents, not who says what about it. Your argument here amounts to "Hitler owned a dog, therefore dogs are evil."

A dog is equivalent to Castro's endorsement of Obama's socialist health care? Your argument here amounts to nothing.

Originally Posted by Zacha341

THE Ruling Elites be they right-winged, hard-left-socialist, capalistic-or marxist et al always have set aside their own comforts and amenities exclusive of the masses...

Isn't it pathetic?

**Gistok** · March-29-10, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by johnsmith

Wow, look at all the people coming here trying to defend [[or dissipate the significance of) Castro's endorsement of Obamacare.

... and while you're at it... don't forgot the people who wasted their time reading this silly thread and left without posting...

**johnsmith** · March-30-10, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

... and while you're at it... don't forgot the people who wasted their time reading this silly thread and left without posting...

They obviously don't care to waste their time defending the Castro/Obama team like you did.

**Zacha341** · March-26-10, 01:57 PM

LOL!

This would not surprise me if true. THE Ruling Elites be they right-winged, hard-left-socialist, capalistic-or marxist et al always have set aside their own comforts and amenities exclusive of the masses...

Originally Posted by johnsmith

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-....html?x=0&.v=1

By the way, Cuba's system is so good, Castro gets his medical attention from Spain.

**gibran** · March-26-10, 02:16 PM

bull...if it good for people....it's good for America....

funny it is always those that have things who are reluctant to give things up than those who don't aren't...but when those who had it lose it they want it back...and those who didnt have it understand what it was like ...and have no problem extending it to others if they get it...[[this is a crude...generalization)

**johnsmith** · March-26-10, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

funny it is always those that have things who are reluctant to give things up than those who don't aren't...but when those who had it lose it they want it back...and those who didnt have it understand what it was like ...and have no problem extending it to others if they get it...[[this is a crude...generalization)

I get it, those that have things are reluctant to give them up to those who don't have things that would have no problem taking your things from you. Got it.

Retroit · March-26-10, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

funny it is...

What's funny are all these people that think they will get something for free. As if by going trillions of dollars into debt is not going to be a burden on the children and grandchildren of the "person working the fields picking vegetables".

**gibran** · March-26-10, 03:28 PM

What's funny are all these people that think they will get something for free. As if by going trillions of dollars into debt is not going to be a burden on the children and grandchildren of the "person working the fields picking vegetables". ...

he would been a contributor to greater good more had his foot not been removed...funny how when people are well they can work...and when they are sick they can't....amazing correlation.... kind a like more the people work the more they pay taxes... the less the burden....

simple yes...but again if the bnill hadn't passed would the next administration or should i say the minority party tried to fix health care on their own? oh thats right they had eight years to do so and they didn't....besides there will be admendments to this as it gets flushed out...but at least it's a start...or if you don't love America...you can move to another country [[ ummm...where have we heard that)...but chances are they would have health care there too...so sorry

**gibran** · March-26-10, 02:58 PM

I don't think they expect free..they expect equal access and equal rights....

**gibran** · March-26-10, 03:05 PM

so now john are all poor people thieves ...got it...how about those who had no problem being drafted into wars had no problem serving you....or how about teachers who have a job don't have a problem universally serving any child that comes into their schools...got it...

but healt care or should we say Life care...shouldnt be extended to all equally...

or maybe we should all have voted to go to iraq since it too will be paid out over our childrens lifetime..unless we through providing good healt care get people working and the debt is paid off sooner...but I "get it" you have to be healthy to work...get it

**oladub** · March-26-10, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

so now john are all poor people thieves ...got it...how about those who had no problem being drafted into wars had no problem serving you....or how about teachers who have a job don't have a problem universally serving any child that comes into their schools...got it...

but healt care or should we say Life care...shouldnt be extended to all equally...

or maybe we should all have voted to go to iraq since it too will be paid out over our childrens lifetime..unless we through providing good healt care get people working and the debt is paid off sooner...but I "get it" you have to be healthy to work...get it

I don't think that johnsmith specified poor people. One could also say that the politicians, lawyers, insurance companies, bureaucrats, and pharmaceuticals who have been profiting from our health care system are the thieves. They heal noone. They just gourge themselves. They are still at the trough in Mugabecare.

By the way, Mugabecare does not allow us to buy cheaper drugs from Cuba or even Canada through the mail. I guess the pharmaceuticals didn't like that idea. The plan was more about corporatist control than cutting costs or freedom. We can't even go to Cuba to get all that outstanding discount rate Cuban healthcare because our government still won't let us.

Sometime on another thread you will have to explain the relationship between governments that provide health care and also draft anyone for any purpose. I hope you will discuss the concepts of 'citizen' vs. 'subject'.The teachers weren't drafted though. They get paid. If they don't like their jobs or who comes into their classrooms, they can quit.

The guy working in the field would probably be making enough money to be paying for his own health care if our government hadn't shipped off so many Americans jobs and allowed in millions of illegal immigrants willing to work for less money doing the remaining jobs. Since those two things have been going on, American workers have lost 2/3 of their buying power because the nation's assets have gravitated to the rich and their paid for politicians. If you are going to talk about thievery, the larger concern should be for the loss of buying power that our elected leaders have stolen from us that has so many people here looking for hand outs from the thieves who stole our means of support.