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  1. #26

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    You're basing your opinion on a hypothetical, based on that one could suppose if the Wall Street collapse didn't happen, McCain could have won, put a cabash on the AIG bailout, the Auto Loans and everything else.

    If you look at the numbers you can suppose anything, another terror attack? Could that have happened? yep, but it didn't. An assasination? sure, but it didn't happen.

    The fact is that O&M where neck and neck on the 18th. That is not an opinion, not a what if or maybe that, a fact. Don't mean to sound harsh, it is just a fact. I wish the Bushies would look at the facts just as I wish the Obamammas would do the same.

    But that's just my opinion, not fact.

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    I am so gald to see tha neocon agenda is trying to resurect itself with fear and labeling again...the more these guys speak the more transparent they are...and if they are intiminated by moderates who have a "bigger agenda for America" than running it into a corner [[ yes, it was run onto a corner over the last eight years) then let them have their misguided and misinformed "tea parties" that is their right as Americans...and thank God Barak is in charge for if we had another eight years like the last ...the Big Governement they fear so much with Barak would be small in comparison to the Bigger "New World Order" that the neocons proposed....

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    While I believe in helping the needy off their feet, I do not condone forever supporting them. There is a fine line there that needs to be interpretted and solved by out leaders.
    I agree too - but with the jobs to people ratio, we have a a ways to go yet.

    And I'll bet S.E. Michigan is closer to 22 % off the books.

    In February, Michigan again reported the highest jobless rate, 12.0
    percent. The states with the next highest rates were South Carolina,
    11.0 percent; Oregon, 10.8 percent; North Carolina, 10.7 percent; Cali-
    fornia and Rhode Island, 10.5 percent each; and Nevada, 10.1 percent.

    Unemployment rates were higher in February than a year earlier in all 372 metropolitan areas. Among the 310 metropolitan areas for which nonfarm payroll data were available, 270 areas recorded over-the-year employment decreases, 37 reported gains, and 3 had no change
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm

  4. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitRoch View Post
    He knows what I meant. He just felt the need to twist and spin just like the liberal media.
    Capitalism takes care of its needy whereas this socialistic agenda they have planned will take care of the rest of the freeloaders that are not already cheating the system.

    As far as me lumping democrats,socialists,nazis,communists and liberals all into one well, its because all of you are under the same deomcratic party flag and that is indisputable.
    Hell, even your defacto leader Soros.is a Jewish Nazi. A jewish Nazi!!!! My gammy is turning over in her grave at the thought of any normal jewish person aligning themselves with this monster.

    The rest of your comments are hogwash as were these two so there is no need to be dragged into your liberal propaganda bs
    Can't argue with crazy...

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    Hell, even your defacto leader Soros.is a Jewish Nazi. A jewish Nazi!!!! My gammy is turning over in her grave at the thought of any normal jewish person aligning themselves with this monster.
    The man is just crazy. Meds please.

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitRoch View Post
    Capitalism takes care of its needy
    How so? funny, I don't see slums in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. ditto for NZ.

  7. #32

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    Oh, a coincidence is when two girls show up to the prom in identical dresses, or when you're thinking about your sister and she calls you on the phone. Two random events, connected by circumstance. Change the events of the girls going to different proms and there is no kwink-a-dink; if sis calls someone else, or you have your phone turned off, again, no coincidence.

    A cause and effect is different.

    If McCain or Obama's numbers had shown either a constant level or had started at one point and continued on a single path one could make assumptions based on their projected paths. However, both candidates rose and fell throughout the entire campaign.

    Each of rises and fell were based on cause and effect. Hillary drops out, Obama goes up; McCain picks Phailin and his rise. Phailin is interviewed by Kathie Couric and McCain falls. Cause and Effect.

  8. #33
    cheddar bob Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnome View Post
    You're basing your opinion on a hypothetical,
    And you're supposing that the decline in McCain's numbers were caused by Wall Street. That's not a fact, it's a hypothetical on your part. It's a fact that his numbers declined after Wall Street's problems, but that doesn't mean that is why they declined. It's also a fact that McCain's numbers dropped after his convention bounce.

    So why did they fall? Wall Street? Perhaps, but if you look at the graph you will see that McCain's numbers were generally around 42%-44% for the three months leading up to the convention. Right after the convention those numbers spiked at about 48% and within three weeks of the convention they had returned to the 42%-44% level. We know what happened but you say that it happened because of Wall Street and I'm showing you that the trends support the idea that levels would have dropped because the "statistical dead heat" was just an abberation based on outside factors [[the convention).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigb23 View Post
    The man is just crazy. Meds please.
    So this SN just suddenly appears on a political thread and plays judge and jury by attacking certain members who have been posting on the DYes website for years, w/o even a how do you do?

    hmmm....color me suspicious.


  10. #35
    cheddar bob Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    So this SN just suddenly appears on a political thread and plays judge and jury by attacking certain members who have been posting on the DYes website for years, w/o even a how do you do?

    hmmm....color me suspicious.

    Hence the "Chuck Adkins Or Not Chuck Adkins".

  11. #36

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    sure looks like an impasse to me

  12. #37

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    sure looks like an impasse to me
    Not yet.

  13. #38

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    Another poster thought I was Jack Lessenberry. I took that as a big compliment.
    No big deal, Jack.

  14. #39
    cheddar bob Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speramus Meliora View Post
    Not Chuck Adkins. However, you DO know me Cheddar. Well, sort of. Let's just say that you complimented me once and leave it at that.

    Another poster thought I was Jack Lessenberry. I took that as a big compliment.
    Not you, I was proprosing that DetroitRoch was Chuck Adkins. They seem to share the same wild, accusatory paranoia.

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    cheddar bob Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnome View Post
    sure looks like an impasse to me
    Yep. But at least it's over something stupid like why McCain's numbers dropped and not over something important like why Obama lost an election.

  16. #41

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    A bright idea came into Alice's head. "Is that the reason so many tea-things are put out here?" she asked.

    "Yes, that's it," said the Hatter with a sigh: "it's always tea-time, and we've no time to wash the things between whiles."

    "Then you keep moving round, I suppose?" said Alice.

    "Exactly so," said the Hatter: "as the things get used up."

    "But what happens when you come to the beginning again?" Alice ventured to ask.

    "Suppose we change the subject," the March Hare interrupted, yawning. "I'm getting tired of this. I vote the young lady tells us a story."
    Last edited by Jimaz; June-06-09 at 02:36 PM.

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitRoch View Post
    Well first off Im an atheist through and through who thinks jesus was probably just a cool hippy when hippys were people and not the pests that they have become but thats besides the point.

    I dont want any of our welfare or any other programs cut. What I do not want is them to be expanded and abused even more than they are.

    There are way too many cheaters in our system now and it needs to be cleaned, not cut.

    I like the way our system is set up right now we just need to stop the greed.
    What methods do you think would be successful in determining who is truly cheating the system, and of course you are aware that some if not many of those cheaters have innocent children who would be the ones who really suffer the consequences of "cleaning" their parent[[s) out of the system.

    As long as the system continues to make it more and more difficult for even those who sincerely wish to escape the grip of poverty, due to the rising and high cost of living, and the massive outsourcing and offshoring of jobs that could be or were performed by those with even above average intelligence, education, and skills, I don't see how the percentage of citizens that are permanently, temporarily, partially or completely dependent on government support to survive will be significantly reduced anytime soon. In fact it appears that the percentage is going to increase unabated.

    When politicians state that new jobs will need to be created to supplant those unrecoverable jobs that are gone for good, it makes me laugh. As if many, if not most of those "new" jobs can't be exported as well. Maybe more than 2/3rds of the country will need to be publicly employed by government, by the middle of the century, in order to be employed at all.
    Last edited by Flanders; April-16-09 at 05:30 PM.

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    This local Chicago reporter goes right to the guy with the most outragious sign, asserts her ignorance, and then cuts the guy off. The crowd doesn't like how the reporter slanted her report. One woman takes the reporter on. CNN chose not to play that part. I watched the national CNN coverage and thought it was fair and balanced. This was Chicago.

    Note the sign shown at the 4:02 mark - "Republicans Suck too". The airhead reporter was stuck in her ditzy Republicans vs. Democrats paradyne.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg...layer_embedded

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    Bearinabox Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheddar bob View Post
    Hence the "Chuck Adkins Or Not Chuck Adkins".
    Roch's profile says he's 35 and retired. Sure sounds like Chuck to me.

  20. #45

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    The tea party members don't listen to Fox
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    Last edited by Lowell; April-16-09 at 10:03 PM.

  21. #46

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    I'm still trying to find out where he's even coming from. He's like Mikey, he hates everything.

  22. #47

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    DetroitRoch - you just came on here pissin' for a fight. The rest of us read the posts and respond in a decent, yet informative manner. You're one of those guy's, [[Ahem), that are going to hang out in one side of the forum to antagonize people. Well, state your case, but don't make everything seem like a hopeless mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitRoch View Post
    I did state my case regarding both parties and my utter dislike [[and some likes)for both and yet, I was attacked . By the left no less. [[go figure)

    Now u wanna cry victim? Please Beave. I hear Whitey callin. Its time to play.
    Well for one, Y-O-U can't spell the word "you", so Y-O-U already have that working against Y-O-U.

    I guess I missed the part where we were supposed to be impressed with how cool you are, what with the casual slander and intentionally misspelled words. My apologies. I've been out of junior high for a while, so pardon me if I'm a bit rusty on this "credibility through coolness" stuff.

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    cheddar bob Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearinabox View Post
    Roch's profile says he's 35 and retired. Sure sounds like Chuck to me.
    When you're too fat and lazy to work you can just call yourself retired? Sweet, pass the gravy.

  25. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitRoch View Post
    As I stated and proved time and time again, if you guys have no real argument, you resort to attacking people and trying to put thm down.
    Aw, sorry lefty.
    That post of yours sure sounds like you engage in a little attacking as well.
    Last edited by Detroitej72; April-16-09 at 09:06 PM.

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