Toyota's Woes

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · January-27-10, 01:13 PM

Unless I have missed it, Toyota's recent problems have not been discussed here. Is this really possible?

http://www.freep.com/article/2010012.../1270396/1318/

....Let me edit my somewhat confusing question. It is not that I thought Toyota's problems were not possible - I was surprised that they were not being discussed.

**EL Jimbo** · January-27-10, 01:18 PM

Very possible. Look for Ford to benefit from this the most as this comes at a great time for them with the positive marks they have been getting.

**rb336** · January-27-10, 01:45 PM

at least this one is impossible for the national media to ignore. remember the oil sludging problem that was destroying Toyota and Lexus engines? hardly a word about it, even though it affected a couple million cars

**Zacha341** · January-27-10, 05:12 PM

Yeah, I recall the oil sludging problem associated with the Lexus and stayed away from them... it was an issue with old Camry's as well but not all models....

Originally Posted by rb336

at least this one is impossible for the national media to ignore. remember the oil sludging problem that was destroying Toyota and Lexus engines? hardly a word about it, even though it affected a couple million cars

**davewindsor** · January-27-10, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast

Unless I have missed it, Toyota's recent problems have not been discussed here. Is this really possible?

http://www.freep.com/article/2010012.../1270396/1318/

....Let me edit my somewhat confusing question. It is not that I thought Toyota's problems were not possible - I was surprised that they were not being discussed.

So I guess there is merit to the "sudden unintended acceleration" class action lawsuit filed against Toyota back in November. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cla...ion-2009-11-06

Are there caps on class action lawsuits against automakers in the states?

Retroit · January-27-10, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by davewindsor

Are there caps on class action lawsuits against automakers in the states?

Heck no, not as long as the trial lawyers have the Democratic party in their back pocket. The question is: is there a cap on class action lawsuits against automakers in Japan? Or, if it is tried in the States, will there be any political repercussions of Americans suing foreigners?

Buy American · January-27-10, 01:41 PM

They've been hiding problems for years...it's about time the truth is told.

WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

Toolbox · February-03-10, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Buy American

WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

I hope the computer you are posting on the internet with is 100% made in the US and not just assembled here.

I hope all the clothes you are wearing are produced in the US with domesticaly woven fabric and fibers.

I hope you eat only US manufactured food with domesticaly sourced ingrediants.

STFU and GFY!

Buy American · February-03-10, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Toolbox

I hope the computer you are posting on the internet with is 100% made in the US and not just assembled here.

I hope all the clothes you are wearing are produced in the US with domesticaly woven fabric and fibers.

I hope you eat only US manufactured food with domesticaly sourced ingrediants.

STFU and GFY!

I support the American automakers. I know that without them, Michigan and the USA would be in a whole lot of trouble. When you're out of a job, can't pay your bills, don't have affordable health care, can't put your kids through college, go to Japan or China and ask them to help you out. We already owe them tons of money, what's a little more for your expenses? At least I know where my bread is buttered, and that's not by buying foreign.
You don't like what I say....tough $hit!

WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

**Detroitej72** · February-03-10, 11:31 AM

Too bad this didn't come to light before the Cash for Clunkers program, it could have helped the Big 3 a little more. I wonder how many people bought Toyota's under that plan and now regret their decision.

**bailey** · February-03-10, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Buy American

I support the American automakers. I know that without them, Michigan and the USA would be in a whole lot of trouble. When you're out of a job, can't pay your bills, don't have affordable health care, can't put your kids through college, go to Japan or China and ask them to help you out. We already owe them tons of money, what's a little more for your expenses? At least I know where my bread is buttered, and that's not by buying foreign.
You don't like what I say....tough $hit!

WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

Why do you support a ford motor company that has offshored design, engineering and manufacture of what it intends to be it's best selling model? Why do you support a GM that has abandoned Flint for Mexico, Canada, south America and China? Why do you support a Chrysler that is again a wholly owned subsidiary of a foreign company?

Further, as a point of curiosity...and by your huge dodge of the question about where everything else you use on a daily basis is manufactured... why are American Car companies the only domestic industry worthy of your support? What about textiles? What about Michigan's furniture manufacturers? What you sit on supports America! Out of a job yet, keep buying chinese furniture from wal mart!

**Detroitej72** · February-03-10, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

Why do you support a Chrysler that is again a wholly owned subsidiary of a foreign company?

Better check your facts. Fiat owns 20% of Chrysler, with an option to buy more in the future. The rest is owned by the UAW, CAW, and the U.S. Government. This arrangement was necessary for the survival of an automaker that was run into the ground by an American capital investment group who never had any intention of seeing Chrysler survive long term.

Hardly a wholly owned subsidiary.

Toolbox · February-03-10, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Buy American

I support the American automakers. I know that without them, Michigan and the USA would be in a whole lot of trouble. When you're out of a job, can't pay your bills, don't have affordable health care, can't put your kids through college, go to Japan or China and ask them to help you out. We already owe them tons of money, what's a little more for your expenses? At least I know where my bread is buttered, and that's not by buying foreign.
You don't like what I say....tough $hit!

WHAT YOU DRIVE, DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

I hope all the parts in you American made car are domesticaly sourced from union shops.

Hope your new Carhatt coat is US made. You will never know if some slimey scab made it.

Carhartt will NOT be closing the USA plants, but they are still discontinuing their Made in USA apparel program. Carhartt will still produce some goods in the USA, however, they will not keep the USA inventory separate from the foreign inventory. Once the inventories are mixed Carhartt cannot guarantee you will receive USA made items when ordering from them.

You are a hypocrite.

The same companies that sell Toyota their parts and technologies sells to the domestics.

What I drive keeps me employed.

Buy American · February-03-10, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Toolbox

I hope all the parts in you American made car are domesticaly sourced from union shops.

Hope your new Carhatt coat is US made. You will never know if some slimey scab made it.

Carhartt will NOT be closing the USA plants, but they are still discontinuing their Made in USA apparel program. Carhartt will still produce some goods in the USA, however, they will not keep the USA inventory separate from the foreign inventory. Once the inventories are mixed Carhartt cannot guarantee you will receive USA made items when ordering from them.

You are a hypocrite.

The same companies that sell Toyota their parts and technologies sells to the domestics.

What I drive keeps me employed.

Was your automobile made by a "slimy scab"....?

**dove-7** · March-16-10, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Buy American

They've been hiding problems for years...it's about time the truth is told.

WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA!
OUT OF A JOB YET? KEEP BUYING FOREIGN.

bull shit. fucked up cars don't equate to sells which don't equate to jobs. that has been the big 3 issues over the past 30 yrs. do u buy an american period knowing that it's crap solely because it's american made?

in toyota's case, they're heading in the same direction that the big 3 had been doing over the years. lying and denying. bankruptcy cleared up a lot of fuck ups and injured GM vehicle owners whom could no longer file a suite.

**Whitehouse** · January-27-10, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast

Unless I have missed it, Toyota's recent problems have not been discussed here. Is this really possible?

Judging by the 16 posts you submitted since August, you haven't discussed very much in general. And this is the Detroit forum, not Japan.

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · January-27-10, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Whitehouse

Judging by the 16 posts you submitted since August, you haven't discussed very much in general. And this is the Detroit forum, not Japan.

I guess the auto industry is not a Detroit-related topic, and the Latest Chrysler News thread should be moved as well [[perhaps to the Italian news section?)

**DetroiterOnTheWestCoast** · January-27-10, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Whitehouse

Judging by the 16 posts you submitted since August, you haven't discussed very much in general. And this is the Detroit forum, not Japan.

Actually, after I rejoined in August under a new name, I seldom post anymore due to the overwhelming snarkiness that infects this site.

**pffft** · January-27-10, 02:46 PM

Toyota didn't do it voluntarily, because it was the "right thing" to do -- the company knew about this five days ago.
They were legally required by the U.S. government to do it...

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...selling-models

**ndavies** · January-27-10, 02:00 PM

There's been several threads on the Toyota recalls on the non-Detroit side. I started one last October when this issue originally surfaced.

**drjeff** · January-27-10, 02:35 PM

I don't recall any automaker ever being forced to stop production on 8 different models. This is a huge deal.

**Hermod** · January-27-10, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by drjeff

I don't recall any automaker ever being forced to stop production on 8 different models. This is a huge deal.

Yes, but it is the right thing to do. They have a life-threatening safety deficiency in some of their cars caused [[they currently believe) by a part from a single supplier.

I do have to give them credit for taking this drastic measure [[like grounding an entire fleet of aircraft) while they try to chase down the source.

It is especially hard to trace down if it is a sometimes happening thing under certain conditions. When they find the problem, it will probably require a complete redisgn of the part and retrofit of all sold and waiting sale cars containing the part.

**ndavies** · January-27-10, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hermod

I do have to give them credit for taking this drastic measure [[like grounding an entire fleet of aircraft) while they try to chase down the source.

Credit for what? Following the law. They had no choice in the matter. They were legally required by NHTSA to shut down sales as soon as the recall was announced.

The fact that they had to also shut down production shows they are still scrambling to find a real solution to the problem.

**Fury13** · January-27-10, 02:35 PM

This should be in the non-Detroit side of the forum.

And plenty has been posted about Toyota's missteps.

Oh, and...

OUT OF A JOB YET?
KEEP RELYING ON A ONE-INDUSTRY ECONOMY!

**EL Jimbo** · January-27-10, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Fury13

This should be in the non-Detroit side of the forum.

And plenty has been posted about Toyota's missteps.

Oh, and...

OUT OF A JOB YET?
KEEP RELYING ON A ONE-INDUSTRY ECONOMY!

You are absolutely right. However, that doesn't happen overnight so we got to ride the horse we have as long it takes until we grow the herd a bit more.