This Is Exactly Why Metro Detroit's Future IS Doomed

**313WX** · December-21-09, 05:42 PM

What can you do to save the region when there's so much stupidity spreading across the area [[note the location of several posters)...?

http://forums.accuweather.com/index.php?showtopic=15944

**Brainiac** · December-21-09, 05:47 PM

I say, let them be stupid. Failure is viral, and most people love to dish out negative flames. Yet success can be viral as well.

There are a lot of problems to overcome - our energy and focus should be on forward progress. Show positive results and the conversation will change.

Retroit · December-21-09, 06:20 PM

I thought this was quite pertinent:

"It would better the city if people stopped being offended about the facts and started seriously doing something about it."

**313WX** · December-21-09, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I thought this was quite pertinent:

"It would better the city if people stopped being offended about the facts and started seriously doing something about it."

To be honest, people in the city wouldn't feel so offended if there wasn't so much fallacy in their blind opinions.

**1KielsonDrive** · December-21-09, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by 313WX

To be honest, people in the city wouldn't feel so offended if there wasn't so much fallacy in their blind opinions.

What did you say? Huh? Is this supposed to pass as an intelligent comment?

**313WX** · December-21-09, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

What did you say? Huh? Is this supposed to pass as an intelligent comment?

The fact of the matter is those people in that link I posted above [[and Retroit) pretend as if their white bred townships are free of imperfections. In fact, I was shocked when that same woman said in other thread "the end of innocence" was when someone was robbed in broad daylight of a check. Do that whacko lady not realize the unemployment rate in this region is approaching 25%? People are getting desperate and they will do any and everything to survive in this shit storm, no matter where one live. Pretending that things like that could only happen in the war zone of Detroit is at best delusional. They refuse to realize however that whatever ahppens in Detroit proper will still impact them negatively [[even if tehy don't feel it directly). Majority of the federal money Michigan gets is compliments of Detroit. The "Us vs. Them" mentality gets us nowhere. The city council's clown antics is no better than Jim Fouts or L. Brooks Patterson's "Fuck you all" divisive politics. We're all in this together and trying to isolate ourselves from one another just sends us further into oblivion.

**jt1** · December-21-09, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I thought this was quite pertinent:

"It would better the city if people stopped being offended about the facts and started seriously doing something about it."

It would also be nice if some people [[like you or her) recognized the good that many in the city are doing as opposed to writing off the city and all the residents [[even those that do a lot to improve their communities)

Sticking up for one extreme [[the ignorant woman posting on that board) is pretty hypocritical when you condemn people for doing the same thing [[but at the opposite extreme) on this board.

Retroit · December-21-09, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by jt1

It would also be nice if some people [[like you or her) recognized the good that many in the city are doing as opposed to writing off the city and all the residents [[even those that do a lot to improve their communities)

I think that's what the statement means: If people want to improve their city, they need to do something to improve it.

Sticking up for one extreme [[the ignorant woman posting on that board) is pretty hypocritical when you condemn people for doing the same thing [[but at the opposite extreme) on this board.

When did I ever condemn someone for getting involved in helping their community?

**jt1** · December-21-09, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I think that's what the statement means: If people want to improve their city, they need to do something to improve it.

When did I ever condemn someone for getting involved in helping their community?

It's not a matter of you condemning anyone for getting involved, it is a matter of you lumping all citizens of Detroit into a single bucket of indifference/doing nothing.

Disagree all you will but I can't seem to find any posts of yours that give credit to anyone doing anything positive in the city. Instead you have your clever little gems like this"

"Detroit: A city whose inhabitants refuse to take responsibility for their failures and blame everyone else instead."

**GOAT** · December-30-09, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I thought this was quite pertinent:

"It would better the city if people stopped being offended about the facts and started seriously doing something about it."

Regardless of where someone lives you can't argue this fact.

Well you can argue it but that would just make you just dumb.

Lorax, you mean it isn't the thieves, murderers, liars that live there? The evil corps are to blame? Give me a break! No one forces anyone to rob anyone else and until your scapegoating stops Detroit will continue to be a cesspool with few viable places to live.

**DetroitZack** · December-21-09, 06:17 PM

What idiots, we have to do what we can to turn the city around and prove people wrong.

**tallboy66** · December-23-09, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitZack

What idiots, we have to do what we can to turn the city around and prove people wrong.

When? Besides what GM did with the riverfront which is fine and dandy but what about the rest of the way up Woodward, Gratiot, the Lodge?
Tell me that at least the incinerator has stopped operating?

smudge pot · December-23-09, 07:26 PM

Funny how it's always the Capitalist Roaders who excruciatingly contort themselves to express Correct Chairman Mao Thought. How many hundreds of thousands of landlords ended up swinging on a rope after the 1949 revolution? BTW, I'm looking for some investment property, something cute in Brush Park, or Boston Edison.

**DetroitZack** · December-23-09, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by tallboy66

When? Besides what GM did with the riverfront which is fine and dandy but what about the rest of the way up Woodward, Gratiot, the Lodge?
Tell me that at least the incinerator has stopped operating?

Why are you asking when? I'm not sure why this post is directed to me. I'm well aware that other parts of the city need work....

**tallboy66** · December-23-09, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by DetroitZack

Why are you asking when? I'm not sure why this post is directed to me. I'm well aware that other parts of the city need work....

I quoted you but it's not directed at you as many people feel this way "we have to do what we can to turn the city around and prove people wrong." but it's a general statement like "pull yourself up by the boot straps", "we need to get down to the business of doing business", "when the tough get going the going get tough"... but the city does everything possible it seems to NOT entice any type of business or community environment.

I say When? because... it's been 6 years since I left after living in the area for 20 years it's still the same discussions, mass transit, light rail, condo's/lofts proposed in some building and it just never happens

but they have money to tear down buildings and Tyree Guytons work or other artists [[who btw are the very people who make a community livable, and can't get basic city services running, snow plow, trash, police and fire...mass transit [[that doesn't include a 3 hr one way trip to Troy)

And just exactly where would you ride to or from on the Dequindre bike trail from Mack to the River!? fine but who lives along that area and rides for leisure or to work?, nobody! Then they pave over an existing rail line to propose it as a new light rail site

LOL!

**jt1** · December-25-09, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by tallboy66

When? Besides what GM did with the riverfront which is fine and dandy but what about the rest of the way up Woodward, Gratiot, the Lodge?
Tell me that at least the incinerator has stopped operating?

The incerator has continued operating but the question you pose implies you have no understanding why.
When the city tried to have it shut down the company that operates it [[see below) threatened a severe lawsuit. The city reviewed the contract and determined that they would be liable for millions.

So to answer your question: Yes, it operates. To fault the city at present time is either done out of ignorance or devoid of facts.

Throw enough shit or silly questions on the wall and a few will stick.

If you are really concerned about the incinerator [[which I doubt you are) please contact the company that runs it and is fighting any efforts of the city to shut it down. Let meknow how that conversation goes. I'm sure you can change their mind:

http://www.covantaholding.com/site/l...-michigan.html

Covanta Holding Corporation
40 Lane Road
Fairfield, NJ 07004

**313WX** · December-21-09, 06:24 PM

And yet I bet these same people in teh middle of that parade were claiming Detroit's their comeback city when the Red Wings won back in 2008.

**EastsideAl** · December-21-09, 06:41 PM

Many of the posts on that thread seemed to be from people who are barely literate. So I guess mass illiteracy is not just a City of Detroit problem.

**313WX** · December-21-09, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by EastsideAl

Many of the posts on that thread seemed to be from people who are barely literate. So I guess mass illiteracy is not just a City of Detroit problem.

What's scary is one of the posters is supposedly a 4.0 freshman at University of Detroit Mercy.

Lord help us all if our children are all like him.

**Evandor Gordon** · December-21-09, 06:51 PM

From what I see in detroit, a lot of people do what they can but at the same time there are people who dont want to share the "exposure" I would say to help the ones who are wanting to do the same thing. Then there's the ones who still money from those who are helping lol so the problem is Detroit wants to get fix but everybody wants the fame individually, please let me know if I'm wrong so I could use that quality information

Retroit · December-21-09, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Evandor Gordon

From what I see in detroit, a lot of people do what they can but at the same time there are people who dont want to share the "exposure" I would say to help the ones who are wanting to do the same thing. Then there's the ones who still money from those who are helping lol so the problem is Detroit wants to get fix but everybody wants the fame individually, please let me know if I'm wrong so I could use that quality information

I think it is rather the opposite. I don't think there are enough people who want the recognition, shared or not, for improving the city. In fact, I think it is a shameful "secret" that it is not acceptable among many of Detroit's residents to improve their community.

**iheartthed** · December-21-09, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I think it is rather the opposite. I don't think there are enough people who want the recognition, shared or not, for improving the city. In fact, I think it is a shameful "secret" that it is not acceptable among many of Detroit's residents to improve their community.

Yes, please enlighten us more about each and every one of the 900,000 residents of Detroit that you know personally.

smudge pot · December-21-09, 09:48 PM

Detroit is what it is, and we are proud of it because of what it is. I remember Coleman. He could be nasty, but he was a man of his time, and no different from, and an admirer of, Orville Hubbard. Pay no mind to those who do not know, and don't be shy in casually mentioning that you're from Detroit. They get it. And if you have problems in Detroit, you're going to have the same problems in any other big city. Take it from The Kid: Savvy-up.

andybsg · December-21-09, 10:27 PM

Wow, this thread clearly demonstrates the only reason, if any, that Detroit will never rise again. The attacks on Retroit for saying he agrees with the statement that people should stop taking offense at the truth are mindboggling. His proposal appears to be that these people instead devote their energy to correcting problems and accentuating what are the clear positives. That is exactly the attitude the city needs to begin moving forward. While the attitude demonstrated by several neanderthalish posters is exactly the attitude that he was addressing and it is exactly the attitude that holds Detroit back.

**jt1** · December-22-09, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Retroit

I think it is rather the opposite. I don't think there are enough people who want the recognition, shared or not, for improving the city. In fact, I think it is a shameful "secret" that it is not acceptable among many of Detroit's residents to improve their community.

Really, can you give some detail of first hand experiences? Also can you quantify how many Detroit residents you speak of? 10%, 50% or areyou just throwing out your 'theories'

I'm not sure what circles you spend your time in but the people I know are very willing and happy to give credit and reward those that work to improve the city. This goes for the downtown/midtown crowd as well as people in the neighborhoods themselves.