The History Channel's "The People Speak" With Howard Zinn

[ccbatson]

Slavery is not endorsed by the constitution, nor is oppression of women..."all men [[including women) are created equal". The constitution was a necessary step to abolish slavery and oppression of women.

[Lorax]

Thanks for quoting me as truth- guess you got it.

As for "whining" perhaps you should take your own advice and do something about it.

The doors of lobbying have been blown open, and are staying open thanks to our new Rethuglican administration. Nothing will change unless groups of people unite to make change happen.

Guess things will just have to get a little worse before they get better.

[ccbatson]

BTW...why do you suppose the "nation is in decline" Lorax? Creeping, and now leaping [[under Obama) socialism in our mixed economy.

[Lorax]

Slavery is not endorsed by the constitution, nor is oppression of women..."all men [[including women) are created equal". The constitution was a necessary step to abolish slavery and oppression of women.

Slavery was endorsed by it's omission.

So was equal rights for women.

Why do you think we needed the Bill of Rights and 2 dozen amendments?

[Lorax]

BTW...why do you suppose the "nation is in decline" Lorax? Creeping, and now leaping [[under Obama) socialism in our mixed economy.

Nation is in decline due to the excesses of the fascist reich, accellerated under the Bush Crime Family. That's an easy one.

Creeping socialism is a good thing. We need to speed that up a bit.

[ccbatson]

Omission? Did you miss the parts about being created equal and unalienable rights?

[Lorax]

Omission? Did you miss the parts about being created equal and unalienable rights?

Except for black people and women. Why then did slavery persist after the signing of the constitution?

[ccbatson]

Abolition and women's voting rights needed the constitution as a foundation for eventual success...what were you expecting instantaneous change? A civil war was largely fought over one of these items.

[Lorax]

Abolition and women's voting rights needed the constitution as a foundation for eventual success...what were you expecting instantaneous change? A civil war was largely fought over one of these items.

Oh, so you admit the Constitution is an organic, fluid document? Good, we're making progress. Problem is, it still took nearly a century for slavery to end, a century and a half for women't right to vote, and a century to get a civil rights amendment.

Nothing like taking your time.

[ccbatson]

Nope...the document stands on solid ground in it's original form...it took the populace a while to catch up to it in these regards.

[Lorax]

Nice to see a capitulation from you, Batts.

That's one argument you can't win.

[Rideron]

Iwas glad to see this quote from Zinn "You can see the possibility that small acts multiplied by the millions can merge into great movements of social change."

I did not realize how much he supports the tea bag party movement!

[Lorax]

It's only a bowel movement, don't get your hopes up.

Paid for shills by "Freedomworks" as front man for the giant corporations is not a movement, just more Rethuglican smear.

[Rideron]

Testy testy, Lorax.

But thinking that after 'your guy' finally got in it'd be smooth sailing; only to be thereafter wacked upside the head over and over again by reality, must be rough.

[Lorax]

Why do Rethuglicans think Obama was my candidate? I have said since BEFORE the election that Dennis Kucinich was my candidate. Bernie Sanders as a socialist from Vermont is even more to my liking, though never ran for president.

Obama was never left enough for me, and has proven it time and again by caving in to the demands of the most conservative Democrats, as well as Rethuglicans.

Hate to say it Democrats, but I told you so!

Obama needed to kick ass and take names as he was elected to do, but has instead proven himself too cerebral, too calculating, and as a result we have little to show in the way of reforms or improvement in the way government works.

A single payer system should have been the only plan put forward, since we already have that in Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. Congress has a single payer plan- the rest of us are at the mercy of for-profit fascist run corporations.

Democrats don't deserve the supermajorities handed to them by the voters who are far left of center, and wanted sweeping change. Sadly, Rethuglicans will see this as a victory, which it is not, and use it to rally voters to the polls, and we will end up with progressives not voting, and we're back to fascist dictatorship in three years under a retard like Saracuda Palin.

Talk about anarchy, that would finally create marching in the streets, I predict.

[ccbatson]

Kucinich was on the ticket and you voted for him Lorax? Or did you vote for McCain? Maybe you abstained and did not cast a vote for Obama. Or...maybe, just maybe, you voted for Obama....who isn't sure what Lorax did?

[Lorax]

Apparently you've never read any of my posts, no big surprise there!

I voted for Obama as the lesser of two evils, since I don't believe in throwing away my vote, and McShame/Failin would have been an unmitigated disaster for this country.

[ccbatson]

Facetious and rhetoric questions from me...as is very obvious

[Lorax]

Babbling Batts, yet again. Sad, pity.

[rb336]

Only problem? liberty is not defined as it should be and as it was intended. How do we know? True liberty as established in the founding of this country and via the constitution abhors and opposes all "social change". Freedom and liberty are unalienable....or are supposed to be.

in a long list of thoroughly non-sensical posts, that may be the most absurd of them all. you really have to twist the meaning of every word to fit your twisted, discredited dogma, don't you?

[ccbatson]

Need a tutor to understand it then Rb? I bet you can make perfect sense of it, but lie and claim otherwise. What do you say? Be honest.

[Lorax]

No, actually one would need a "tutu" to understand it, dancing around the topics requires said tutu.

[Patrick]

Off topic...the History Channel? Yeah, they need to fuck right off. Ice Road Truckers and Hitler. That's history baby!

[Jimaz]

And in exchange for that I give you HowardZinn.org.

Thanks for allowing me to extend your education beyond The History Channel.

[Mikeg]

Alas, "education" and "The History Channel" used to be synonymous, but no longer is that true.