Obama twice approved force to rescue hostage

**Sstashmoo** · April-12-09, 11:00 PM

Bravo President Obama.

Quote: â€œWe remain resolved to halt the rise of piracy in this region. "

Well if I may offer a suggestion to him, how about balancing the trade and stop relying in goods shipped from the other side of the world? When we have people right here out of work that are quite capable of producing them.

ccbatson · April-12-09, 11:09 PM

Running away with tail tucked is not a good suggestion Sstashmoo.

**firstandten** · April-12-09, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Bravo President Obama.

Quote: â€œWe remain resolved to halt the rise of piracy in this region. "

Well if I may offer a suggestion to him, how about balancing the trade and stop relying in goods shipped from the other side of the world? When we have people right here out of work that are quite capable of producing them.

How about having European counties and companies stop illegally fishing in their waters and dumping toxic waste off their shores because its cheaper to do that than to do it legally.

These Somailies are thugs but there's a reason why they are like this and those reasons will need to be addressed because this has been going on since the nineties.

ccbatson · April-12-09, 11:43 PM

The Somali pirates keep doing this because?? They succeed by virtue of idiots paying them ransom money for committing crimes.

**Gistok** · April-12-09, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The Somali pirates keep doing this because?? They succeed by virtue of idiots paying them ransom money for committing crimes.

Gotta agree with you Cc... the more they ransom, the more money they get... the more money they get... the more boats and weapons they buy... the more boats and weapons they buy... the more brazen they become....

Funny how no one [[except for us and maybe the French) learned from the 200 year old lesson of Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Coast pirates...

If they continue we should bomb some coastal villages/fleets that house these thugs. Villagers that house these now rich warlords are starting to get worried that we'll do just that. Since our military has become relatively good at surgical strikes, perhaps collateral damage [[loss of innocent life) can be kept to a minimum.

Patrolling an area 1/3 the size of the continental US in the Indian Ocean is logistically prohibive...so we need to be proactive, rather than reactive.

**firstandten** · April-13-09, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Gotta agree with you Cc... the more they ransom, the more money they get... the more money they get... the more boats and weapons they buy... the more boats and weapons they buy... the more brazen they become....

Funny how no one [[except for us and maybe the French) learned from the 200 year old lesson of Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Coast pirates...

If they continue we should bomb some coastal villages/fleets that house these thugs. Villagers that house these now rich warlords are starting to get worried that we'll do just that. Since our military has become relatively good at surgical strikes, perhaps collateral damage [[loss of innocent life) can be kept to a minimum.

Patrolling an area 1/3 the size of the continental US in the Indian Ocean is logistically prohibive...so we need to be proactive, rather than reactive.

You start bombing them then you will have the whole world against you. These countries know that they screwed over these people. Problem is the ranson money got good to them and now it would be hard to go back to just being fishermen. The companies look at the ranson as a cost of doing business that's why they keep sailing ships in those waters.

**oldredfordette** · April-13-09, 06:54 AM

There's no excuse for kidnapping and terrorism. But there's more to the Somalia story than you might know:

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madr...a-isnt-telling

**Gistok** · April-13-09, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

You start bombing them then you will have the whole world against you. These countries know that they screwed over these people. Problem is the ranson money got good to them and now it would be hard to go back to just being fishermen. The companies look at the ranson as a cost of doing business that's why they keep sailing ships in those waters.

Umm.... we're already doing that in Pakistan.... besides Pakistan, is the whole world against us there? No!!

All the shipping companies are doing is funding more trouble and more sophisticated weaponry. What do you want, another powerful Cartel like the drug cartels in Central and South America?

Bending over and taking it up the ass is not the way to go about this in dealing with these thugs... especially when doing so makes creating a "real" Somali government nearly impossible with well funded warlords. I hardly think that making the situation worse by paying of these thugs will make the world against us...

These thugs still have over 200 foreign captives held hostage... what should we do... wait until they have over 1000??

**firstandten** · April-13-09, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Gistok

Umm.... we're already doing that in Pakistan.... besides Pakistan, is the whole world against us there? No!!

All the shipping companies are doing is funding more trouble and more sophisticated weaponry. What do you want, another powerful Cartel like the drug cartels in Central and South America?

Bending over and taking it up the ass is not the way to go about this in dealing with these thugs... especially when doing so makes creating a "real" Somali government nearly impossible with well funded warlords. I hardly think that making the situation worse by paying of these thugs will make the world against us...

These thugs still have over 200 foreign captives held hostage... what should we do... wait until they have over 1000??

There should be some negotiations with the Somali government on getting there gov't stabilized and getting there economy going again which would include some aid military and financial. You then have quite a different conversation with the warlords and thugs. Something to the effect that if they don't get there act together they will probably be killed or arrested.

In the meantime any company shipping in those waters should have a security force on the ship for protection.

**d.mcc** · April-13-09, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

The Somali pirates keep doing this because?? They succeed by virtue of idiots paying them ransom money for committing crimes.

Sounds kind of free-marketish to me...

**Sstashmoo** · April-13-09, 12:22 AM

Quote: "Running away with tail tucked is not a good suggestion Sstashmoo."

Batts, Your post makes absolutely no sense. Where did I imply we should run with tail tucked?

**rajdet** · April-13-09, 07:31 AM

Nice article oldredfordette, thanks for posting it. You are right Firstandten, there is always at least two sides to every story.

Originally Posted by firstandten

How about having European counties and companies stop illegally fishing in their waters and dumping toxic waste off their shores because its cheaper to do that than to do it legally.

These Somailies are thugs but there's a reason why they are like this and those reasons will need to be addressed because this has been going on since the nineties.