Kieth Olbermann and Mother Jones take on President Obama

[oladub]

President Obama is outdoing President Bush. As a Senator, he voted for Patriot Act II and pardoned telecom executives for illegal wiretapping. He said that he didn't feel good about the latter at the time and suggested that the problems with the wiretapping bill could be taken care of later.

President Obama has now stepped up to the plate and addressed wiretapping. He decided to expand wiretapping beyond the scope of anything Bush had tried to get away with. This has Kieth Olberman upset. It isn't the change that he had hoped for.

"Obama Moves To Legalize Warrantless Wiretapping!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jSUHVUgJFc

Last week, the Wall Street Journal wrote an editorial about the need for cyber security making claims that Russian and Chinese derived bugs were now in our power grid and could be activated at any time. Perhaps so but Mother Jones Magazine claims that the bill that just happens to be ready when the WSJ article was released also includes provisions that would give presidents great control over the internet..

"Should Obama Control the Internet?" A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ntrol-internet

[Johnlodge]

CHANGE you can believe in!

[Sstashmoo]

I believe it.

Really starting to question this guy..

[Sstashmoo]

Fly,

It isn't just that, you are right however.

There are a few other issues the Obama administration is not attacking as fast as we need. Trade?

[ccbatson]

"Starting to question this guy"? 5 months too late...don't forget come 2012...don't worry, the misery we will be sharing as a result of Obama's communist agenda will be unforgettable.

[d.mcc]

"Starting to question this guy"? 5 months too late...don't forget come 2012...don't worry, the misery we will be sharing as a result of Obama's communist agenda will be unforgettable.

If what you say comes to fruition, then glorious leader will have no trouble in 2012!

[ccbatson]

Better to laugh than cry I suppose. I am not worried, 4 years of this stuff, and even the staunchest liberals will not be able to remain in denial.

[firstandten]

Well, there is one of his policies I don't support.

You know, you're allowed to do that, right? You can disagree with certain policies and still support his general administration.

We're not like republicans where you have to support every one of the president's policies, or you "hate America, love terrorists, and embolden our enemies, then are viciously attacked"

That is a very thoughtful post. One doesn't need to or should be in lockstep with all of Obama's policies. I am convince that there is a reason for some of the policies that I may question. And I support him and feel that after everything has been said and done after his eight years he will be on the short list as one of the best presidents this country has ever had.

I am of the belief that if we actually knew how bad some of the issues he faces actually are you could understand some of the moves he made.

For example people wonder why he has folks like Geithner and Summers advising him rather than Krugman on the economy. I do believe that once he saw just how bad things were, he needed people on the inside who knew the players and understood how to figure out exactly what was wrong and he had to do it quick. Who's better than the people responsible for the mess. That is the pragmatism in Obama. As long as people on this board see him as a left-wing ideolog you will miss the way he is trying to govern. The right wing talk show hosts [[who appeal to the lowest common demonimator) can keep throwing the "S" word around and swear Obama is going to take your AK 47 away from you but again you miss the point.

The situation with Obama's DOJ position on wiretapping is troubling. But for what Obama is trying to do in terms of dealing with the economy, housing, jobs, health care among other things only one thing can derail all of this and I don't mean the crazed house and senate republicans. Or the tea throwing, violence inciting right wing talk show hosts. I mean another 9-11 style attack will put everything back to square one. So while Obama is talking cooperation to the Muslim world, getting rid of Gitmo, speaking to its people and its leaders hoping to gain favor, he is ramping up Afghanistan and dealing with the wiretapping. knowing no matter what he does there are probably some creditable plots that need to be stopped.

[ccbatson]

Figure out what was wrong? Easy...Socialism=Obama...uh oh, we have a major problem here.

[oladub]

If expanding wiretapping and expanding control over the internet wasnt enough, Obama's legal team now wants to limit defendants' rights.

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer Mark Sherman, Associated Press Writer – Apr 24
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule a 23 year-old decision that stopped police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, the latest stance that has disappointed civil rights and civil liberties groups. http://tinyurl.com/casmkn

Bush redux: "This is like déjÃ[ vu all over again." -Yogi Berra

[rb336]

Figure out what was wrong? Easy...Socialism=Obama...uh oh, we have a major problem here.

can you just stop that baseless, stupid shit bats?

[Flanders]

Figure out what was wrong? Easy...Socialism=Obama...uh oh, we have a major problem here.

Yeah, the problem is that objectivists like you do not want to see those on the lower rungs of society obtaining seats in the game of socialist musical chairs. Those seats belong to the movers and shakers, even if the "moving" is jobs out of the country and the "shaking" is harvesting billions from government money trees.